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		<title>By: Larry Lane</title>
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		<description>Sales, as a profession, regularly takes a beating 
in the media. Salespeople are often made fun
of, or referred to in derogatory terms, usually
associated with distrust. I get tired of it.

In fact, a recent USA Today article noted a survey
about the most trusted professions, and sales came 
in almost at the bottom, just above politicians.

And now I see a Wall Street Journal article titled:

&quot;Don&#039;t Get Hit by the Pitch: How Advisers 
Manipulate You.&quot;

The gist of the article is about how unscrupulous
financial salespeople can persuade even well-
educated people to invest huge money in bad
or fraudulent investments. However, what&#039;s 
interesting is that it doesn&#039;t give any specific
examples or case studies of who does this, or 
who has been &quot;taken.&quot; 

My take is that the writer, Jonathan Clements,
simply decided to write an article to bash salespeople.

The article lists seven common tactics, which
are actually sound sales strategies and tactics.
The article says, &quot;But here&#039;s what&#039;s striking:
Even ethical financial advisers use these tricks.&quot;

Interesting how he uses the word &quot;tricks,&quot; again
giving the impression that these ethical salespeople
are out to deceive you, which seems to me like a
contradiction. 

Let&#039;s look at the &quot;tricks&quot; he talks about. Again,
these are all solid sales strategies that I have
taught, as well as have most sales experts.

-&quot;In order to take somebody, you have to win their
confidence and trust.&quot; He quotes Anthony Pratkanis,
a psychology professor at University of California-
santa Cruz, who says that the salesmen feign friendship, 
ask about you, and pretend you have things in common.
Interesting how he uses negative terms such as 
&quot;feign&quot; and &quot;pretend.&quot; Otherwise, it sounds to me 
like building rapport.

-&quot;As salespeople get to know you, they will hunt
for your hot buttons, whether it&#039;s scoring big 
gains or avoiding losses. That allows them to 
craft their investment pitch.&quot; Well duh, welcome
to Sales 101.

-To sell the deal, &quot;Often they will tout an
investment&#039;s scarcity, which makes it more 
valuable and desirable.&quot; He cites that advisers 
point out that an investment&#039;s bargain price 
might not last. Some &quot;trick.&quot; Scarcity
is used by every marketer selling anything. 

-He adds that the scarcity pitch is especially
effective when salespeople add that others are
also interested in the deal, and that other
investors have had great success with the 
investment. Exactly. Again, this is a trick?

What struck me as funny is that he quotes Dr.
Robert Cialdini, the author of one of the greatest
books ever on persuasion, &quot;Influence-The Science
of Persuasion,&quot; although he only refers to 
him as &quot;a psychology professor at Arizona State
University.&quot; Leaving out some relevant information
for your own purposes, are we Mr. Clements? You
wouldn&#039;t consider that a &quot;trick&quot; to get someone
to think the way you want them to, would you?

-The next &quot;trick&quot; also quotes Cialdini, where
he explains how salespeople &quot;exploit your good-
natured tendency to return favors,&quot; such as 
inviting you to a free lunch seminar, meaning
you then feel more obligated to &quot;bite on their
pitch.&quot; Again, he doesn&#039;t mention that Dr. Cialdini
explains this strategy in great detail in his 
book, calling it the Law of Reciprocation. In fact
a famous example of its use dates way back to when
religious charities would send out return address
labels as an enticement for donations. Should they
be accused of being unscrupulous?

-For the third time in a row, he takes a strategy
from Cialdini&#039;s book, but doesn&#039;t reference him
or the book when he mentions the principles of 
Commitment and Consistency by saying that 
&quot;salespeople may take advantage of your desire
to appear consistent.&quot; For example, if you say early
on that you are concerned about market declines,
and hesitate to buy later, the rep might counter
with, &quot;I thought you said you were concerned with
market declines.&quot; 

Yes, it is a great sales principle. And also used in 
Mr. Clements&#039; profession as well. A journalist, Tim 
Russert of NBC&#039;s Meet the Press is perhaps one of 
its most high profile users. Almost every week he&#039;ll 
ask his guest a question, get an answer, and then 
show a several-year-old &quot;gotcha&quot; video of the person 
saying something contradictory. 

-Finally, about closing, he quotes Pratkanis again,
who says that salespeople might skip over questioning 
whether you should buy, and go right to asking
whether you want, &quot;100 or 300 shares. In sales
jargon, that&#039;s called the presumptive close.&quot; 
Actually, Professor, it&#039;s more commonly referred
to as the &quot;alternate choice close&quot; and typically works
when the person has already decided in their mind
that they are going to buy. And by the way, the
&quot;assumptive close&quot; is the more common term to what
you think you meant. 

Oh, and the author slips in another bonus &quot;trick&quot;
when he mentions how salespeople might suggest you
invest $30,000, and that when you resist, will drop
down to $15,000. He says, &quot;Ordinarily you wouldn&#039;t
agree--but now it seems reasonable because it was
preceded by the request for $30,000.&quot; Gosh, that&#039;s
not ever done by, let&#039;s see, any person who has 
ever listed a home or car for sale?

Mr. Jonathan Clements used his forum to take a 
shot at salespeople, thinly masking his attack
as aimed at &quot;unscrupulous&quot; advisers, but mentioning
that &quot;ethical advisers use these tricks.&quot; My 
guess is that there just might be a bit of professional
and financial jealousy residing within Mr. Clements,
since he likely knows the income obtainable by
good salespeople compared to journalists.

And, just wondering...will he ever do an article about 
how some journalists use their own manipulative &quot;tricks&quot; 
to pull information out of their interview subjects, 
sometimes getting them to say things they don&#039;t precisely
mean? Or perhaps pulling just portions of quotes out of 
the context of an interview to spice up a story? 
Just wondering.

Today was a bit of a rambling rant. Granted, there are
bad eggs in sales, perhaps even more so than other 
professions. I just get tired of the bashing and wanted
to stand up for what I believe is one of the greatest,
important, and most lucrative professions around. Glad
you&#039;re in it with me.

Go have your best week ever!.

Art



QUOTE OF THE WEEK 
&quot;Nothing happens until a sale is made.&quot;
Thomas Watson Sr., founder of IBM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sales, as a profession, regularly takes a beating<br />
in the media. Salespeople are often made fun<br />
of, or referred to in derogatory terms, usually<br />
associated with distrust. I get tired of it.</p>
<p>In fact, a recent USA Today article noted a survey<br />
about the most trusted professions, and sales came<br />
in almost at the bottom, just above politicians.</p>
<p>And now I see a Wall Street Journal article titled:</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t Get Hit by the Pitch: How Advisers<br />
Manipulate You.&#8221;</p>
<p>The gist of the article is about how unscrupulous<br />
financial salespeople can persuade even well-<br />
educated people to invest huge money in bad<br />
or fraudulent investments. However, what&#8217;s<br />
interesting is that it doesn&#8217;t give any specific<br />
examples or case studies of who does this, or<br />
who has been &#8220;taken.&#8221; </p>
<p>My take is that the writer, Jonathan Clements,<br />
simply decided to write an article to bash salespeople.</p>
<p>The article lists seven common tactics, which<br />
are actually sound sales strategies and tactics.<br />
The article says, &#8220;But here&#8217;s what&#8217;s striking:<br />
Even ethical financial advisers use these tricks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting how he uses the word &#8220;tricks,&#8221; again<br />
giving the impression that these ethical salespeople<br />
are out to deceive you, which seems to me like a<br />
contradiction. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the &#8220;tricks&#8221; he talks about. Again,<br />
these are all solid sales strategies that I have<br />
taught, as well as have most sales experts.</p>
<p>-&#8221;In order to take somebody, you have to win their<br />
confidence and trust.&#8221; He quotes Anthony Pratkanis,<br />
a psychology professor at University of California-<br />
santa Cruz, who says that the salesmen feign friendship,<br />
ask about you, and pretend you have things in common.<br />
Interesting how he uses negative terms such as<br />
&#8220;feign&#8221; and &#8220;pretend.&#8221; Otherwise, it sounds to me<br />
like building rapport.</p>
<p>-&#8221;As salespeople get to know you, they will hunt<br />
for your hot buttons, whether it&#8217;s scoring big<br />
gains or avoiding losses. That allows them to<br />
craft their investment pitch.&#8221; Well duh, welcome<br />
to Sales 101.</p>
<p>-To sell the deal, &#8220;Often they will tout an<br />
investment&#8217;s scarcity, which makes it more<br />
valuable and desirable.&#8221; He cites that advisers<br />
point out that an investment&#8217;s bargain price<br />
might not last. Some &#8220;trick.&#8221; Scarcity<br />
is used by every marketer selling anything. </p>
<p>-He adds that the scarcity pitch is especially<br />
effective when salespeople add that others are<br />
also interested in the deal, and that other<br />
investors have had great success with the<br />
investment. Exactly. Again, this is a trick?</p>
<p>What struck me as funny is that he quotes Dr.<br />
Robert Cialdini, the author of one of the greatest<br />
books ever on persuasion, &#8220;Influence-The Science<br />
of Persuasion,&#8221; although he only refers to<br />
him as &#8220;a psychology professor at Arizona State<br />
University.&#8221; Leaving out some relevant information<br />
for your own purposes, are we Mr. Clements? You<br />
wouldn&#8217;t consider that a &#8220;trick&#8221; to get someone<br />
to think the way you want them to, would you?</p>
<p>-The next &#8220;trick&#8221; also quotes Cialdini, where<br />
he explains how salespeople &#8220;exploit your good-<br />
natured tendency to return favors,&#8221; such as<br />
inviting you to a free lunch seminar, meaning<br />
you then feel more obligated to &#8220;bite on their<br />
pitch.&#8221; Again, he doesn&#8217;t mention that Dr. Cialdini<br />
explains this strategy in great detail in his<br />
book, calling it the Law of Reciprocation. In fact<br />
a famous example of its use dates way back to when<br />
religious charities would send out return address<br />
labels as an enticement for donations. Should they<br />
be accused of being unscrupulous?</p>
<p>-For the third time in a row, he takes a strategy<br />
from Cialdini&#8217;s book, but doesn&#8217;t reference him<br />
or the book when he mentions the principles of<br />
Commitment and Consistency by saying that<br />
&#8220;salespeople may take advantage of your desire<br />
to appear consistent.&#8221; For example, if you say early<br />
on that you are concerned about market declines,<br />
and hesitate to buy later, the rep might counter<br />
with, &#8220;I thought you said you were concerned with<br />
market declines.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, it is a great sales principle. And also used in<br />
Mr. Clements&#8217; profession as well. A journalist, Tim<br />
Russert of NBC&#8217;s Meet the Press is perhaps one of<br />
its most high profile users. Almost every week he&#8217;ll<br />
ask his guest a question, get an answer, and then<br />
show a several-year-old &#8220;gotcha&#8221; video of the person<br />
saying something contradictory. </p>
<p>-Finally, about closing, he quotes Pratkanis again,<br />
who says that salespeople might skip over questioning<br />
whether you should buy, and go right to asking<br />
whether you want, &#8220;100 or 300 shares. In sales<br />
jargon, that&#8217;s called the presumptive close.&#8221;<br />
Actually, Professor, it&#8217;s more commonly referred<br />
to as the &#8220;alternate choice close&#8221; and typically works<br />
when the person has already decided in their mind<br />
that they are going to buy. And by the way, the<br />
&#8220;assumptive close&#8221; is the more common term to what<br />
you think you meant. </p>
<p>Oh, and the author slips in another bonus &#8220;trick&#8221;<br />
when he mentions how salespeople might suggest you<br />
invest $30,000, and that when you resist, will drop<br />
down to $15,000. He says, &#8220;Ordinarily you wouldn&#8217;t<br />
agree&#8211;but now it seems reasonable because it was<br />
preceded by the request for $30,000.&#8221; Gosh, that&#8217;s<br />
not ever done by, let&#8217;s see, any person who has<br />
ever listed a home or car for sale?</p>
<p>Mr. Jonathan Clements used his forum to take a<br />
shot at salespeople, thinly masking his attack<br />
as aimed at &#8220;unscrupulous&#8221; advisers, but mentioning<br />
that &#8220;ethical advisers use these tricks.&#8221; My<br />
guess is that there just might be a bit of professional<br />
and financial jealousy residing within Mr. Clements,<br />
since he likely knows the income obtainable by<br />
good salespeople compared to journalists.</p>
<p>And, just wondering&#8230;will he ever do an article about<br />
how some journalists use their own manipulative &#8220;tricks&#8221;<br />
to pull information out of their interview subjects,<br />
sometimes getting them to say things they don&#8217;t precisely<br />
mean? Or perhaps pulling just portions of quotes out of<br />
the context of an interview to spice up a story?<br />
Just wondering.</p>
<p>Today was a bit of a rambling rant. Granted, there are<br />
bad eggs in sales, perhaps even more so than other<br />
professions. I just get tired of the bashing and wanted<br />
to stand up for what I believe is one of the greatest,<br />
important, and most lucrative professions around. Glad<br />
you&#8217;re in it with me.</p>
<p>Go have your best week ever!.</p>
<p>Art</p>
<p>QUOTE OF THE WEEK<br />
&#8220;Nothing happens until a sale is made.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Watson Sr., founder of IBM</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Bargain Hunter &#187; Roundup for week of 1 Jan 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighty Bargain Hunter &#187; Roundup for week of 1 Jan 2007</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] All Financial Matters warns that advisors can manipulate you. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Free Money Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Money Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Star Money Articles for the Week of Jan. 1&lt;/strong&gt;

Here are interesting posts and news this week from the MoneyBlogNetwork members and beyond: Blueprint for Financial Prosperity is approaching $200,000 in net worth. Consumerism Commentary answers basic questions about income and taxes. AllFinancialMatt...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Star Money Articles for the Week of Jan. 1</strong></p>
<p>Here are interesting posts and news this week from the MoneyBlogNetwork members and beyond: Blueprint for Financial Prosperity is approaching $200,000 in net worth. Consumerism Commentary answers basic questions about income and taxes. AllFinancialMatt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fin_indie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fin_indie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Best way to avoid this is to not put yourself into this position. I think someone made a comment on your other post to this effect: open a discount brokerage account and select and make the trades yourself.  No one needs an intermediary for making simple investments anymore.  

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://retiringEarly.Blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://retiringearly.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Best way to avoid this is to not put yourself into this position. I think someone made a comment on your other post to this effect: open a discount brokerage account and select and make the trades yourself.  No one needs an intermediary for making simple investments anymore.  </p>
<p><a HREF="http://retiringEarly.Blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://retiringearly.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article to read, although the &quot;free&quot; book according to their AARP website is only free to Washington consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article to read, although the &#8220;free&#8221; book according to their AARP website is only free to Washington consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown Professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unknown Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLP:

First off, Happy New Year!

I noticed the same piece.  About 8 or 9 years ago, I was teaching a perfsonal finance class.  I decided to have a &quot;scam of the week&quot; feature to liven things up.  In researching scams, I came across a book titled &quot;The Big Con: The Story of The Confidence Man&quot; (you can get in on Amazon  pretty cheaply - about $12). It was written by a linguistics professor about 70 or 80 years ago.  

He managed to work his way into the confidence (no pun intended) of the con community.  He originally focused on their vocabulary, but eventually ended up writing the book not just about language but also about their customs and techniques.  

What&#039;s so striking is that the same general techniques con men used almost a century ago are still used (and work) today - only the products and the delivery methods (i.e. the Internet) change.  

I&#039;d recmmend it as a good read for just about anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLP:</p>
<p>First off, Happy New Year!</p>
<p>I noticed the same piece.  About 8 or 9 years ago, I was teaching a perfsonal finance class.  I decided to have a &#8220;scam of the week&#8221; feature to liven things up.  In researching scams, I came across a book titled &#8220;The Big Con: The Story of The Confidence Man&#8221; (you can get in on Amazon  pretty cheaply &#8211; about $12). It was written by a linguistics professor about 70 or 80 years ago.  </p>
<p>He managed to work his way into the confidence (no pun intended) of the con community.  He originally focused on their vocabulary, but eventually ended up writing the book not just about language but also about their customs and techniques.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s so striking is that the same general techniques con men used almost a century ago are still used (and work) today &#8211; only the products and the delivery methods (i.e. the Internet) change.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d recmmend it as a good read for just about anyone.</p>
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