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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/01/12/fridays-readers-question-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-71014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a similar situation in 1998 when I retired with a substantial 401k amount.  My advice is to leave it in the 401k and take yearly distributions in an amount of around 7 or 8 percent.  I have withdrawn about $500k in almost 9 years and still have my original amount.  A simple diversification in a US index, a foreign index, and smaller amounts in better performing funds, and a move into cash reserves during big downturns did the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a similar situation in 1998 when I retired with a substantial 401k amount.  My advice is to leave it in the 401k and take yearly distributions in an amount of around 7 or 8 percent.  I have withdrawn about $500k in almost 9 years and still have my original amount.  A simple diversification in a US index, a foreign index, and smaller amounts in better performing funds, and a move into cash reserves during big downturns did the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/01/12/fridays-readers-question-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-63255</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really recommend doing this, but the writer should learn about the provision of 401(k)s whereby people who separate from their employer in or after the year in which they attain the age of 55 may take unrestricted distributions from their 401(k) without the 10% early distribution penalty (note that 72t distributions are restricted based on life expectancy). Thus, the writer could cash in his 401(k) immediately after retiring. Ordinary income taxes would be due, and the distribution of his large balance would put him in a high tax bracket, but then the money would be outside the 401(k)/IRA umbrella, and thus presumably outside clutches of Congress that he seems to fear. If instead he rolls the 401(k) into an IRA, then 59-1/2 becomes the age at which he can take unrestricted penalty-free distributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really recommend doing this, but the writer should learn about the provision of 401(k)s whereby people who separate from their employer in or after the year in which they attain the age of 55 may take unrestricted distributions from their 401(k) without the 10% early distribution penalty (note that 72t distributions are restricted based on life expectancy). Thus, the writer could cash in his 401(k) immediately after retiring. Ordinary income taxes would be due, and the distribution of his large balance would put him in a high tax bracket, but then the money would be outside the 401(k)/IRA umbrella, and thus presumably outside clutches of Congress that he seems to fear. If instead he rolls the 401(k) into an IRA, then 59-1/2 becomes the age at which he can take unrestricted penalty-free distributions.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Weekly Blog Roundup on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Weekly Blog Roundup on Consumerism Commentary: A Personal Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/01/12/fridays-readers-question-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-62779</link>
		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for &quot;cynical investing&quot;, the problem is that precious metals aren&#039;t all that good of an investment, unless you both own the actual metal and expect a true Mad Max-style apocalypse - and even then, ammo is probably a better investment.  If you expect a more &quot;ordinary&quot; crash, ie one where bad things happen but civilization continues, gold may be a hedge against a hyper inflationary episode, but would actually be a pretty bad place if you expect a massive bubble-pop, which would be strongly deflationary.  Gold would not have been the investment of choice during the Great Depression.  If you&#039;re expecting a dollar crash, an easy hedge is to invest overseas - people should have some amount of overseas investments anyway.

As for tax policies, that is a more valid concern; there, the best thing is to have investments in several types of accounts: ie tax-deferred like a traditional IRA, something like a Roth, and after-tax investments.  IMO, the biggest danger taxwise (although it would be a good thing generally) would be a shift to consumption taxes and away from income taxes, by moving to something like the &quot;Fair Tax&quot; or to &quot;Pigovian taxes&quot; (carbon taxes to reduce oil use, etc).  This would hurt post-tax accounts and Roths, but be a good thing for money fetched from traditional IRAs if income taxes are lowered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for &#8220;cynical investing&#8221;, the problem is that precious metals aren&#8217;t all that good of an investment, unless you both own the actual metal and expect a true Mad Max-style apocalypse &#8211; and even then, ammo is probably a better investment.  If you expect a more &#8220;ordinary&#8221; crash, ie one where bad things happen but civilization continues, gold may be a hedge against a hyper inflationary episode, but would actually be a pretty bad place if you expect a massive bubble-pop, which would be strongly deflationary.  Gold would not have been the investment of choice during the Great Depression.  If you&#8217;re expecting a dollar crash, an easy hedge is to invest overseas &#8211; people should have some amount of overseas investments anyway.</p>
<p>As for tax policies, that is a more valid concern; there, the best thing is to have investments in several types of accounts: ie tax-deferred like a traditional IRA, something like a Roth, and after-tax investments.  IMO, the biggest danger taxwise (although it would be a good thing generally) would be a shift to consumption taxes and away from income taxes, by moving to something like the &#8220;Fair Tax&#8221; or to &#8220;Pigovian taxes&#8221; (carbon taxes to reduce oil use, etc).  This would hurt post-tax accounts and Roths, but be a good thing for money fetched from traditional IRAs if income taxes are lowered.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaming The Credit System</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaming The Credit System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo some of the earlier posters, the thing that your reader should realize is that as long as he is talking about his investment in terms of &quot;dollars&quot; or even &quot;money&quot;, it is at the mercy of the government.  Taxation should be the last thing he&#039;s worried about; inflation (the hidden tax) could do in his life savings much easier.  Just ask the citizens of Germany, Argentina, Peru, Mexico, and many others.  Like it or not, in the event of the catastrophic crash that he is thinking of, he will have bigger things to worry about than his retirement savings.  Accessing *any* account (whether it&#039;s invested in stocks or gold) may be impossible in such a situation; the best things to have are food, ammo, actual physical commodities (some gold &amp; silver couldn&#039;t hurt), and enough land to grow a garden.

I have my own inner doom-sayer, and fortunately it doesn&#039;t come out very often; all I can say is that it only makes sense to prepare in proportion to the likelihood of the outcome.  If he thinks there&#039;s a 1% chance of this happening within the next 5 years, he should take $4.5k, buy a storage shed for his back yard, and stock it up with rice and ammo.  If he thinks there&#039;s a 10% chance, he should take $45k and buy a small farm close to where he lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo some of the earlier posters, the thing that your reader should realize is that as long as he is talking about his investment in terms of &#8220;dollars&#8221; or even &#8220;money&#8221;, it is at the mercy of the government.  Taxation should be the last thing he&#8217;s worried about; inflation (the hidden tax) could do in his life savings much easier.  Just ask the citizens of Germany, Argentina, Peru, Mexico, and many others.  Like it or not, in the event of the catastrophic crash that he is thinking of, he will have bigger things to worry about than his retirement savings.  Accessing *any* account (whether it&#8217;s invested in stocks or gold) may be impossible in such a situation; the best things to have are food, ammo, actual physical commodities (some gold &amp; silver couldn&#8217;t hurt), and enough land to grow a garden.</p>
<p>I have my own inner doom-sayer, and fortunately it doesn&#8217;t come out very often; all I can say is that it only makes sense to prepare in proportion to the likelihood of the outcome.  If he thinks there&#8217;s a 1% chance of this happening within the next 5 years, he should take $4.5k, buy a storage shed for his back yard, and stock it up with rice and ammo.  If he thinks there&#8217;s a 10% chance, he should take $45k and buy a small farm close to where he lives.</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/01/12/fridays-readers-question-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-62646</link>
		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the word &quot;paranoid&quot; describes the original post. Of course there could be reasons why the poster does feel that worried about the state of the economy, government actions etc.  The great depression of the 1930s affected the spending and investing habits of many who experienced it for the rest of their lives.

Without knowing more about the poster&#039;s personal circumstances it&#039;s hard to add anything to JLP&#039;s comments and what has been mentioned above. One thing which I would suggest be considered carefully is the intention to start drawing down in 4.5 years and, if that intention is to be carried out, the best asset allocation - something for a professional financial adviser to consider (something I am not).

One final comment: even though precious metals (and many other things) do not generate income they can still be regarded as investments. There have been studies (which I have some queries on) which suggest that adding some commodities to a portfolio of other investments can add slightly to returns while reducing risk over the medium term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the word &#8220;paranoid&#8221; describes the original post. Of course there could be reasons why the poster does feel that worried about the state of the economy, government actions etc.  The great depression of the 1930s affected the spending and investing habits of many who experienced it for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>Without knowing more about the poster&#8217;s personal circumstances it&#8217;s hard to add anything to JLP&#8217;s comments and what has been mentioned above. One thing which I would suggest be considered carefully is the intention to start drawing down in 4.5 years and, if that intention is to be carried out, the best asset allocation &#8211; something for a professional financial adviser to consider (something I am not).</p>
<p>One final comment: even though precious metals (and many other things) do not generate income they can still be regarded as investments. There have been studies (which I have some queries on) which suggest that adding some commodities to a portfolio of other investments can add slightly to returns while reducing risk over the medium term.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wrier seems too emotionally attached and too sure of his assesment.  You should always ask yourself, &quot;What if I am wrong?&quot;.  From the tone of his message I doubt any advice will be heeded, but if he really wans to shoot himself there are inverse funds available from Rydex and Pro Shares etc that will increase in value should his dire predictions ever come true.

If the writer fears the government will seal his IRA and he plans to take withdrawals as soon as possible without regard to the tax consequences, then he should learn about 72t withdrawals.  At 55 he could already be throwing away his money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wrier seems too emotionally attached and too sure of his assesment.  You should always ask yourself, &#8220;What if I am wrong?&#8221;.  From the tone of his message I doubt any advice will be heeded, but if he really wans to shoot himself there are inverse funds available from Rydex and Pro Shares etc that will increase in value should his dire predictions ever come true.</p>
<p>If the writer fears the government will seal his IRA and he plans to take withdrawals as soon as possible without regard to the tax consequences, then he should learn about 72t withdrawals.  At 55 he could already be throwing away his money.</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Sam.  The guy would do well to change his radio station, quit reading the peak-oil websites, and take some time to study the history of gloom&doomers; they have a pretty awful track record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Sam.  The guy would do well to change his radio station, quit reading the peak-oil websites, and take some time to study the history of gloom&doomers; they have a pretty awful track record.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/01/12/fridays-readers-question-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-62418</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This person sounds a bit paranoid, and since I can&#039;t improve on the advice given by you and the other commenters, I&#039;m left with making a flip response:  Liquidate the 401k and use it to build a bomb-proof bunker.  Stock the bunker with water purification equipment, fuel, non-perishable food, a shortwave radio, and guns and ammo. Keep a stash of Krugerrands for trading with other survivors.  Don&#039;t use the Internet since the government is monitoring it to find out where all the money is hidden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This person sounds a bit paranoid, and since I can&#8217;t improve on the advice given by you and the other commenters, I&#8217;m left with making a flip response:  Liquidate the 401k and use it to build a bomb-proof bunker.  Stock the bunker with water purification equipment, fuel, non-perishable food, a shortwave radio, and guns and ammo. Keep a stash of Krugerrands for trading with other survivors.  Don&#8217;t use the Internet since the government is monitoring it to find out where all the money is hidden.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the US economy crashes, his dollars will have no value and the last thing he needs to worry about is whether his investments are safe.</description>
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