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Dave Ramsey Gets on my Nerves
By JLP | February 7, 2007
I gotta hand it do Dave, he’s quite the salesman.
Check this out:
The cheesy display of the ad has a very “infomercial” look to it. Doesn’t it?
Here’s my question(s):
WHY not spend that $289 on paying off your debt?
I wonder how many of the people buying this stuff put it on a credit card?
Topics: Budgeting, Credit Cards |
February 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
People who charge an arm and a leg for financial organization tools drive me nuts. Whether it’s David Bach wanting $25 each of his books (which all say the same thing, btw), Ramsey wanting $300 for his stuff or Kiyosaki wanting your immortal soul in exchange for one of his pointless seminars, they’re all counterintuitive. So maybe you do have to spend money to save money, but why not go for something less extortionate?
I can’t believe DR is providing general advice for $300. For $300, I’d want a personalized plan, or something.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Seems like Ramsey is looking after his own “personal” finance.
Also, in my opinion, I think Ramsey oversimplifies things too much. It’s ok for bloggers to do that..but not ok for someone who charges $289 for his advice.
There might be some sense in what he says, but such ads just take away the charm of it all.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
THat stuff is pretty valuable information for people not knowing how to get out from under financial pressure
and FYI
you can only use a debit card or echeck on dave ramseys’s website
February 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I suspect Mr. Ramsey has made plenty of money on his books, CDs, DVDs, and seminars. At what point will he start giving away the information? The cost of printing the forms and DVDs is probably under $20. And would be less if provided directly through the web for cash-strapped people to use through their local public library computers.
And when they’re successful and have wads of cash floating around, I’m all for him fleecing them for personalized advice. Stop trying to get rich off those struggling to get by!
February 7th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Not to sound like his biggest fan or anything
but the stuff that you get is pretty good.
DVD’s, CD’s, Workbooks, Software, Etc…
All in all, you COULD take the time to find a site
online that talks about getting debt free (ahem…) and
also has an awesome podcast about getting debt free (ahem…) AND an awesome site for creating a debt free community (ahem…)…
or you could just pay Dave the 300 bucks and he’ll package
everything nice and neat for you…
NCN
February 7th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
It’s not just Dave, it’s everyone David Bach, Suze Orman, Robert Kiyoski, etc.
One they get more expose to the media, they start selling stuff.
February 7th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
it’s a rock-solid program that the most overwhelmed can understand. i give him kudos for making the tidal wave of personal finance a bite-by-bite program that affords those who don’t have the wherewithal to make something positive from their mess. it’s pricey, i admit - but so is ignorance, yeah? and to reiterate: Dave’s website doesn’t accept credit cards. i doubt that they’re seriously making loads off of this stuff anyhow; when you sign up for the accompanying program, you’ll get all of this stuff at a substantial discount (less than $100, i believe).
February 7th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Yes I agree with JLP here, informercial type ads especially on , Personal Finance subjects, are really truly tacky. Do I get a set of Ginsu knives as well …
February 7th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
When my wife and I did the Financial Peace University class at our church, the cost was about $90. I can’t tell from the ad above if it offers the same items that we got. I thought the class was worth what I paid, but wouldn’t pay $289. FPU is a good class for financially illiterate people who don’t budget, over use credit, are in financial difficulty, and so on. He offers a step by step program to get out of debt and stay out of debt that works if you are willing to follow it.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
I am a financial counselor, and for the most part I agree with DR. I believe it is better for people in need to purchase educational material that when applied will save them from making future mistakes.
As for selling material, we all have to make a living and he has committed his life to this process, and w/o the sales he couldn’t retire himself. He’s successful and I think we can all learn from his success!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
I’ve listened a considerable amount to Dave Ramsey’s radio show and never paid a penny for any of his products. In his defense, one thing that becomes readily apparent to anyone that listens to him for a short while is that he’s completely candid about the relative simplicity of his financial advice. He does not, as do many others, begin to help people before instructing them to purchase his products in order to hear the rest of his advice.
On a regular basis, he directly tells callers to his radio program to absolutely NOT buy high-price tickets to his events or any other expensive item that he sells. Rather, he suggests that if you’ve found his guidance helpful, that you send someone iin need through the program when and only when you’re financially successful yourself. And nearly every day he sends callers who need help free copies of his books or other products — not to complete his advice, but merely to supplement its application.
I find Ramsey highly motivational and helpful. As long as I’m in debt, I’ll never spend a penny on his products — but won’t hestitate for a second to buy them for someone else when I no longer need them myself.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Just to set the record straight - you CAN use credit cards on Dave’s website. However, he doen’t want you to. From his site”
“The Lampo Group, Inc. and Dave Ramsey recognize that the Visa and MasterCard virtual monopoly on the debit card industries prohibits merchants from only taking debit cards. As such, it is impossible for us to ensure that every order has complied with our debit card policy. We trust that all of our customers hold EXCEEDINGLY high levels of INTEGRITY and maintain EXTRAORDINARILY high standards of TRUTH and HONESTY. Basically, anyone ordering from us who does not follow this policy is a shady and dishonest character. Don’t put yourself in this group. You’re better than that. Stick to our policy, NO CREDIT CARDS, and make us all happy.”
LINK: http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/cms/debit_card_policy_32.htmlc (small print at the bottom).
February 7th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Good call. Save your money and pay off your debt
February 7th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Yes, great call…save your money and pay off debt, but, as much as some of Dave’s ads can come across as infomericalish, I would venture to say the bulk of their profits comes from the radio show. He gives away his stuff all the time. Simple is exactly what most of the people listening to him need. Complex is what has gotten most of them into the problem in the first place. I guess I would have to say in his defense, at least he has a plan, and if you follow his plan, there is no risk of getting in trouble. If you start eliminating debt immediately, you won’t find yourself worse off at some point in the process if you have to stop for some reason. With Kyoski’s “plan”, I personally know people who have liquidating everything in order to just start accumulating properties upon properties. They have leveraged themselves beyond believe because they think somehow they are going to get a steady stream of rental income from this somehow. The average joe off the street reading his stuff is not equipped to jump in and start doing these types of transactions. This is in fact, exactly how Dave Ramsey went bankrupt before he became well-known.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Ok, I must apologize for the last post, I did not read before submitting - terrible spelling and grammar
February 7th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
$289 does seem a little steep but not exceedingly so. It sounds like it gives more value than a book.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:54 am
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February 8th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Although I think $300 is steep for non-specific advice, if that’s what the market will bear, that’s what it’s worth.
My biggest objection to Dave Ramsey is his evangelical brand of Christianity is tied to his financial advice. The last time I listened to him (because my radio has an ‘off’ button) he brought a woman to tears and REFUSED TO HELP HER because he disagreed with her religious beliefs. In short, she wanted to divorce her husband, not exactly a radical. He called her a liar, weak, and all manner of abuse.
There are plenty of other financial advisors out there, many of whom provide FREE seminars. I personally recommend Ray Lucia, who actually has a relevant education and a team of experts with him at all times.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
It’s weird–I kind of love Dave Ramsey, despite the fact that I’m pretty much the opposite of his base demographic. The part that raises my eyebrows a bit is the volume of advertisement on his show and site: commercials and product endorsement, not to mention his own products and seminars. It’s kind of odd, you know? He talks about the ethical lapses of the credit card industry, but fully acknowledges that what he’s been all his life is a salesman. Frankly, I don’t know how to integrate the Two Faces of Dave, so mostly I ignore all the advertising–I’m certainly not going to buy anything from him, but I do like listening to his radio program (on RealAudio, so I can skip the ads).
It’s also true that his production values are a little amateurish, but he’s clearly not hurting for profit, so…who knows?
February 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
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February 11th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
I think I got as much as I could from Dave Ramsey’s program by reading in the bookstore and borrowing from the library.
Total cost to me? $5 for a latte in the bookstore cafe. Worth the money. I have to wonder what else he could be selling that’s so fantabulous to be worth almost $300.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I’m sorry you don’t like our ads.
We do charge for our materials most of the time. We do that because we’re a business; A business with almost 200 employees that have families to support. I would love to walk into my local gym and demand a free membership so I could lose the fat that unhealthy eating habits and a lack of exercise had earned me, but that’s just not realistic, right? We also give a ton of our stuff away each year to callers, single parents, inner city families and other people we encounter who just plain need the help. Dave is one of the most generous guys I’ve ever met and I would bet anyone who truly knows him would say exactly the same thing.
The material is well worth the cost. If you do it, it will work… every single time.
And as for the advertising on the radio show (something I take a particular interest in), it’s a radio show. With advertising. Just like Hannity and Rush and Dr. Laura and Al Franken and your local sports or morning show. They all do it. It’s called “a business model.”
Just my two cents. Thanks.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
These products are geared towards people who can afford them. Dave is different from most financial gurus out there in that he keeps no secrets. You can find all of Dave’s advice right on his radio show and don’t need anything extra to follow his plan. This plan listed above might be worth $300 to someone who has a reluctant or skeptical spouse. It might also be worth $300 to someone who has trouble with the math or just needs some support and motivation. Some people need that extra help that you can’t get from reading a book or listening to a radio show.
February 15th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
If you don’t like the $289 price, just go through the program at a local church where it will only cost you $90 for the same material.
I think it’s funny that DR gets on your nerves and yet your site has ads for DR material…
Hello Chris Thomas of The Lampo Group. I just visited your blog - thank’s for posting. And yes I think DR should have an official blog!
February 18th, 2007 at 7:03 am
Guess those of you complaining aren’t bargain shoppers–MANY times you can get the basic Total Money Makeover book for JUST $10 on his web site!
February 18th, 2007 at 7:06 am
“tinyhands Says:
February 8th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Although I think $300 is steep for non-specific advice, if that’s what the market will bear, that’s what it’s worth.
My biggest objection to Dave Ramsey is his evangelical brand of Christianity is tied to his financial advice. The last time I listened to him (because my radio has an ‘off’ button) he brought a woman to tears and REFUSED TO HELP HER because he disagreed with her religious beliefs. In short, she wanted to divorce her husband, not exactly a radical. He called her a liar, weak, and all manner of abuse.
There are plenty of other financial advisors out there, many of whom provide FREE seminars. I personally recommend Ray Lucia, who actually has a relevant education and a team of experts with him at all times.”
I have listened to his program forever and HAVE NEVER heard him abuse a caller. What’s the agenda with the poster, I wonder?
February 19th, 2007 at 9:25 am
Gees, people. The product above is the HOME STUDY portion of Financial Peace University. It includes all the DVD’s from his classes, what you would have watched if you went to the classes at a church. I know because my sister bought it as we didn’t have classes nearby. I bought the regular FPU kit. It’s extremely valuable and helpful to us. My sister felt $300 was well worth the cost considering how much she is and will be saving by doing these classes.
Cheap, no. Valuable, ABSOLUTELY!!! We’ve watched them many times and always get a little something different from it each time.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
I have been listening to Dave for about 2 1/2 years now. My wife and I started following his advice and paid off all our debts (equal to about a full year’s bring home pay) in just under 2 years. Say what you want to say about Dave, but his system works 100% of the time, without fail, every single time, no matter how much you make, no matter how much you owe, every single time. IT WORKS. IT CHANGES LIVES. IT’S ALL TRUE.
And unlike a previous poster in this thread, I commend dave for bringing his Christianity into the program. He is a very smart business man. He is fully aware that prasing Jesus Christ on the air regularly is bad for business. Largely because of that, he gets alot less national media attention than he could otherwise get… he’s not blind to that. But he’s true to himself, to his fans, and to his faith. Kudos to Dave Ramsey for not being a coward in the face of a nation with a growing number of liberal lefties who attempt to discredit Christianity at all costs. Keep up the great work, Dave.
P.S. Dave keeps no secrets. Everything you can learn at a siminar can be learned on his radio show. If someone I loved needed a financial makeover, I’d happily pay $300 to introduce them to Dave’s philosophies. His methods work. His financial philosophies changed my life. And thanks largely to him, my wife and I are 29 years old and 100% debt free except for our home… we have a rapidly growing retirement savings, money in the bank, and not a single financial worry in our lives.
September 28th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Some of his seminar stuff is available on YouTube. And his books are in a lot of libraries.
I could see an organization investing in a package like this and lending it out.
Otherwise, I checked out his Money Makeover book from the library, looked at the steps, figured out what was useful and where to modify it…and I’ll return it once I put together my guru-review.
In all, I think he does a good job of compiling common-sense information. I listened to the radio show once. It was ok.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:37 am
“I think I got as much as I could from Dave Ramsey’s program by reading in the bookstore and borrowing from the library.
Total cost to me? $5 for a latte in the bookstore cafe. Worth the money.
I have to wonder what else he could be selling that’s so fantabulous to be worth almost $300.”
It’s a 13-week program that is actually very thorough in matters dealing with personal finance. It’s obvious many here don’t know what the program involves when they say $300 is steep. People assume that Dave Ramsey is only about helping people get out of debt. While it is true that it’s what he’s most known for, his FPU program involves a wide spectrum of information on personal finance, i.e., saving, negotiating purchases, budgeting, debt elimination, insurance (life, homeowners/renters, auto, health, etc.), investments (mutual funds, annuities, stocks, etc), college planning (ESA, 529), retirement (401k, IRA, Roth IRA, SEP, 403b), real estate and mortgages, relationships and money, collection practices, credit bureaus, and more. I suppose that’s not detailed enough.
October 1st, 2007 at 9:39 am
I’d also like to add that it’s quite hypocritical to claim that Dave Ramsey gets on your nerves for his blatant advertisements on his own site when you in turn have them on your site. And, even worse, they’re not even your products, just Adsense to make you a buck, which many times includes Dave’s products.
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Why did you pick the Home Study Edition??? There are less expensive materials. Going through the FPU classes at a church or group discount gets you the materials you need for about $96 with the shipping. Yes if you want the DVDs it will cost more. So will staying in debt all your life. I am sure if you add up what are you paying in interest alone on credit cards, equity loans etc, his home study course that would teach you a sure fire method to get out of debt without having to attend any classses would be worth far more that it’s cost. Going through the classes and learning the lessons he teaches plus getting life experience lessons from others in the same boat is worth the measley $96.00 for the materials, not to mention a volunteer facilitates the 13 classes for FREE.
October 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
– The Swindler– send over your dollars.
November 8th, 2007 at 9:05 am
Why pay for ANY book? Just look for them at your public library!!
Most of the time, if they don’t have a book you’re looking for, they can send out to other libraries and borrow it.
Gotta love libraries.
Our library has Most of Dave’s stuff, including the home study of FPU.
November 26th, 2007 at 2:57 am
Last I checked his book cover says Hundreds of Thousands of ordinary people have become debt free -and- 3 million listeners each week. Why is he charging $289 for a 13 week course and a couple books and some cd roms and a bunch of other stuff with a lifetime membership… Probably because he’s a capitalist and it helps people get completely debt free and retire millionaires. Its not a get rich quick scheme its proven financial wisdom that changes lives.
November 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
The photo above is for a complete study at home alone kit. If you look for classes in your area you can get all the information for $93 + or - shipping and handling. Sometimes the church picks it up.
Yes, you could spend the $289 in paying off your own debt, but if you haven’t been doing it so far what makes you think people will suddenoly thing, Wait I’ll just pay my debt? The progam is so much more than that though. It’s worth the $93 and to be honest I think he’s lowballing. He could charge a lot more.
If you don’t have 1st person experience with taking his class, then you really have no room to criticize. This is his job now. Of course he will charge for the information. And the information is well worth the price.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Anyone been to his financial counselor certification training and started a business as a result? I’m curious as to the what are the expectations of how much profit a counselor can make part time.
March 11th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Johnny K, to give the best straight answer, No. and No again, and No again. Here’s a very good reference for you. In GOOGLE, just type “Try Paying $3,750 for Dave Ramsey” and a link will come up about the certification.
Just look at the 1st few about people who have paid the money, gone through the program and ARE NOT getting leads.
Then read the rest of the post about all the crap that goes on— Bottom Line??? very shady!
March 20th, 2008 at 8:41 am
As a person also sells information products, I can tell you that when I give my product to someone for free, they treat it like it’s worthless. It never gets used. When someone pays good money for information, they have incentive to actually use it.
I wholeheartedly agree with Dave Ramsey’s teachings. Is it information that people could get for free? Sure they can. Those who really want to make a change in their life and have no money will take the steps and compile all they need to know without spending money. I did the same to learn how to invest in real estate 10 years ago.
I’ve taught many people how to invest and frankly most people want handouts. It’s a waste of my time and everyone elses. Paying for information at least begins to qualify some people and it separates the serious from the not so serious.
Blessings,
Steve