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		<title>By: AllFinancialMatters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Suprime Woes - Who&#8217;s to Blame?</title>
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		<dc:creator>AllFinancialMatters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Suprime Woes - Who&#8217;s to Blame?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This was the Question of the Day a few weeks ago. Today I found this article by Les Christie over on the Yahoo! Personal Finance website that listed several culprits of the subprime lending woes: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This was the Question of the Day a few weeks ago. Today I found this article by Les Christie over on the Yahoo! Personal Finance website that listed several culprits of the subprime lending woes: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Subprime Mess - All About Ignorance, Dishonesty, and Our Tendency To Look For Loopholes at Money, Matter, and More Musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Subprime Mess - All About Ignorance, Dishonesty, and Our Tendency To Look For Loopholes at Money, Matter, and More Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Similar concerns about consumer attitudes are expressed by JLP @ AllFinancialmatters; by Paul @ Extreme Perspective ; and by Gaming the Credit System. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Similar concerns about consumer attitudes are expressed by JLP @ AllFinancialmatters; by Paul @ Extreme Perspective ; and by Gaming the Credit System. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaming The Credit System</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaming The Credit System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I replied extensively to this post here:

http://gamingthecreditsystem.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-jlps-subprime-lender-mess-question.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I replied extensively to this post here:</p>
<p><a href="http://gamingthecreditsystem.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-jlps-subprime-lender-mess-question.html" rel="nofollow">http://gamingthecreditsystem.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-jlps-subprime-lender-mess-question.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had this whole long post written and it comes down to this:

Jeremy is right. It&#039;s both parties - lenders knew the risk of the sub-prime loan. Borrowers think that pleading ignorance will save their butts (and then sue when they find out it&#039;s not a magical world we live in).

Plain and simple - if I *was* to purchase a $250,000 home (or a $60,000 home for that matter), I&#039;d be doing a lot of homework on it unless I was paying it full, in my *own* cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had this whole long post written and it comes down to this:</p>
<p>Jeremy is right. It&#8217;s both parties &#8211; lenders knew the risk of the sub-prime loan. Borrowers think that pleading ignorance will save their butts (and then sue when they find out it&#8217;s not a magical world we live in).</p>
<p>Plain and simple &#8211; if I *was* to purchase a $250,000 home (or a $60,000 home for that matter), I&#8217;d be doing a lot of homework on it unless I was paying it full, in my *own* cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s to blame, the drug dealers or the drug addicts?

I feel that both the lenders and the borrowers are reaping what they sowed.  Both got greedy.  Nobody made the lenders give out their money, nobody made the borrowers take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s to blame, the drug dealers or the drug addicts?</p>
<p>I feel that both the lenders and the borrowers are reaping what they sowed.  Both got greedy.  Nobody made the lenders give out their money, nobody made the borrowers take it.</p>
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		<title>By: AT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - 

You couldn&#039;t be more wrong.  There are many instances where a borrow will have less than perfect credit, be in over their head with outgo, and borrow from a subprime lender to consolidate debt.  I encounter them every day.  To minimize their outgo, an ARM is often a good solution.  It is a good solution PROVIDED THEY BUDGET THEIR INCOME AS I ADVISE.  During the fixed period, they can increase their credit scores in order to qualify for a fixed rate mortgage when their ARM is due to adjust (again, if they follow my advice).  The problem is that our society has people fixated on &quot;keeping up with the Joneses&quot; and living way beyond their means.  Are there the occasional &quot;situational expenses&quot;?  Sure, but they are few and far between.  Far more people pay off all of their credit card debt only to max out their cards again within a year.  The &quot;increases in costs of living over time&quot; are negligable; we&#039;re talking about 2-3 years here typically.  COL doesn&#039;t increase that much in such a short period.

You wrote, &quot;I have even heard of loan officers transfering large sums of money into borrower’s bank account for a few days to inflate their debt to income ratio when the banks check.&quot;

If this is true, then yes, that is shady.  I tend not to believe it though, because a borrower&#039;s bank account balance doesn&#039;t typically come into play with their DTI.  And even if it did, lenders (at least the ones I deal with) will require the funds to be seasoned for up to 60 days.

Brokers and lenders do have responsibility to not write bad loans (MTA options...I have never sold a single one.  There are only a FEW RARE cases in which one might be advised).  However the borrower has far more responsibility to manage their own finances.  We live in a society that is far too materialistic, and people constantly spend much more than they should.  That is the problem; not lenders, and not brokers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; </p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.  There are many instances where a borrow will have less than perfect credit, be in over their head with outgo, and borrow from a subprime lender to consolidate debt.  I encounter them every day.  To minimize their outgo, an ARM is often a good solution.  It is a good solution PROVIDED THEY BUDGET THEIR INCOME AS I ADVISE.  During the fixed period, they can increase their credit scores in order to qualify for a fixed rate mortgage when their ARM is due to adjust (again, if they follow my advice).  The problem is that our society has people fixated on &#8220;keeping up with the Joneses&#8221; and living way beyond their means.  Are there the occasional &#8220;situational expenses&#8221;?  Sure, but they are few and far between.  Far more people pay off all of their credit card debt only to max out their cards again within a year.  The &#8220;increases in costs of living over time&#8221; are negligable; we&#8217;re talking about 2-3 years here typically.  COL doesn&#8217;t increase that much in such a short period.</p>
<p>You wrote, &#8220;I have even heard of loan officers transfering large sums of money into borrower’s bank account for a few days to inflate their debt to income ratio when the banks check.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is true, then yes, that is shady.  I tend not to believe it though, because a borrower&#8217;s bank account balance doesn&#8217;t typically come into play with their DTI.  And even if it did, lenders (at least the ones I deal with) will require the funds to be seasoned for up to 60 days.</p>
<p>Brokers and lenders do have responsibility to not write bad loans (MTA options&#8230;I have never sold a single one.  There are only a FEW RARE cases in which one might be advised).  However the borrower has far more responsibility to manage their own finances.  We live in a society that is far too materialistic, and people constantly spend much more than they should.  That is the problem; not lenders, and not brokers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As many have said above, both the borrowers and lenders got in over their heads. However they&#039;re responsible for different problems.

In the individual cases where a borrower has to default, it&#039;s usually they&#039;re problem for not being financially knowledgeable (discounting surprises like having to suddenly take care of 16 nieces and nephews or some such).

The larger problem however, that some see as potentially starting a recession, is with lenders going under; that&#039;s entirely the lenders fault for not accounting for the amount of risk inherent in the loans they were giving out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many have said above, both the borrowers and lenders got in over their heads. However they&#8217;re responsible for different problems.</p>
<p>In the individual cases where a borrower has to default, it&#8217;s usually they&#8217;re problem for not being financially knowledgeable (discounting surprises like having to suddenly take care of 16 nieces and nephews or some such).</p>
<p>The larger problem however, that some see as potentially starting a recession, is with lenders going under; that&#8217;s entirely the lenders fault for not accounting for the amount of risk inherent in the loans they were giving out.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Independent George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a sec... she applies for a loan with false information on it, because she had already been rejected twice when applying with her actual info, and sues the bank because they believed her? I do feel bad for her - she was pretty clearly taken advantage of by her contractor and the broker - but just about the only criticism I have of the bank is that they should have verified her application before approving the loan. Also, didn&#039;t the broker who submitted that application commit fraud when he &#039;helped&#039; her apply for the loan with the false information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a sec&#8230; she applies for a loan with false information on it, because she had already been rejected twice when applying with her actual info, and sues the bank because they believed her? I do feel bad for her &#8211; she was pretty clearly taken advantage of by her contractor and the broker &#8211; but just about the only criticism I have of the bank is that they should have verified her application before approving the loan. Also, didn&#8217;t the broker who submitted that application commit fraud when he &#8216;helped&#8217; her apply for the loan with the false information?</p>
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		<title>By: lorax</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Ben Stein and agree with Alan Greenspan that this will spread.

As far as where the blame goes, I think there&#039;s enough to spread around to lenders, RE agents, (former) homeowners, and the institutional mortgage bundle buyers.  And no one would have been caught had not the rates been raised at the same time as the job market remained relatively sluggish for the lower paid, and the RE bubble hadn&#039;t burst.

Everyone knows someone, first hand or second hand, who can relate some questionable lending practices.  Couple that with consumer pressure, greed on all sides, and you get a financial perfect storm.


As they say, you can&#039;t tell who&#039;s swimming nekid until the tide goes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Ben Stein and agree with Alan Greenspan that this will spread.</p>
<p>As far as where the blame goes, I think there&#8217;s enough to spread around to lenders, RE agents, (former) homeowners, and the institutional mortgage bundle buyers.  And no one would have been caught had not the rates been raised at the same time as the job market remained relatively sluggish for the lower paid, and the RE bubble hadn&#8217;t burst.</p>
<p>Everyone knows someone, first hand or second hand, who can relate some questionable lending practices.  Couple that with consumer pressure, greed on all sides, and you get a financial perfect storm.</p>
<p>As they say, you can&#8217;t tell who&#8217;s swimming nekid until the tide goes out.</p>
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		<title>By: thc</title>
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		<dc:creator>thc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waaaay back when we bought our first home we hired an attorney to review everything and accompany us to the closing.  We really couldn&#039;t afford his fees but, in the end, it was worth it.  If you don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re signing, get help!  That&#039;s the best advice I can give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waaaay back when we bought our first home we hired an attorney to review everything and accompany us to the closing.  We really couldn&#8217;t afford his fees but, in the end, it was worth it.  If you don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re signing, get help!  That&#8217;s the best advice I can give.</p>
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