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		<title>By: Frank Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! Personal responsibility and accountability? What next - letting the average person vote!
What&#039;s the world coming to?
;-)

-Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! Personal responsibility and accountability? What next &#8211; letting the average person vote!<br />
What&#8217;s the world coming to?<br />
 <img src='http://allfinancialmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Gaming The Credit System</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaming The Credit System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if you saw the &lt;a href=&quot;http://gamingthecreditsystem.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-jlps-subprime-lender-mess-question.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lengthy post&lt;/a&gt; I wrote about this on my blog....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if you saw the <a href="http://gamingthecreditsystem.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-jlps-subprime-lender-mess-question.html" rel="nofollow">lengthy post</a> I wrote about this on my blog&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the borrowers made bad decisions, but they&#039;re not really the ones holding the power in this situation. People are going to make dumb decisions. It happens all the time. It&#039;s in the best interest of those holding the cash (lenders, brokers, agents, wall street, etc) to make sure that their industry has safeguards against things that could be easily predicted, ie, that some people are going to take out loans inapprpriate for them. It&#039;s institutionally short-sighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the borrowers made bad decisions, but they&#8217;re not really the ones holding the power in this situation. People are going to make dumb decisions. It happens all the time. It&#8217;s in the best interest of those holding the cash (lenders, brokers, agents, wall street, etc) to make sure that their industry has safeguards against things that could be easily predicted, ie, that some people are going to take out loans inapprpriate for them. It&#8217;s institutionally short-sighted.</p>
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		<title>By: tinyhands</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinyhands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not comparing apples to apples when you say that &quot;the average person is not able to understand the typical mortgage.&quot; Subprime borrowers are not &quot;average&quot; which is why they need a subprime mortgage in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not comparing apples to apples when you say that &#8220;the average person is not able to understand the typical mortgage.&#8221; Subprime borrowers are not &#8220;average&#8221; which is why they need a subprime mortgage in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Paul. I think the percentage of lenders who actually deceived their clients is very small, compared to those who just fell for the &#039;sale&#039; knowing full well what the terms were. Owning a home is the American dream, I would dare say we see it as an American entitlement. Buying on time is the new family budget, and how many of these people buying into teaser-rate loans said &quot;sure, I&#039;m working at McDonald&#039;s now and have $20k in credit card debt, but in 5 years when this ARM adjusts I&#039;ll have a better job, have the debt paid off, and can refinance into a better loan.&quot;

And it didn&#039;t happen, or they failed to adjust their budget in preparation for the upcoming rate hike - something they should have started from year 1, or their debt increased!

Or worse they were already deep in debt with a nice mortgage and mountains of equity, and fell for the &#039;refinance and consolidate&#039; loans, dumped their unsecured debt into their house (with poor terms due to their now poor credit) and fell back into the debt trap years later - leaving them with a bad loan, more debt, and a mortgage payment that suddenly jumps a quarter.

A CNN article recently said that the most common subprime at risk of default was a refi. If you&#039;re refinancing with bad credit, this makes me think other problems exist driving you into the bad loan, the last card before the whole thing collapses.

I put borrowers at the top of that list (and am shocked and disappointed that they aren&#039;t even on the list at all!) and blame lenders, brokers, etc for only a small percentage of these loans. An even smaller percentage warrant investigation.

However I will admit that when purchasing my house, even after doing exhaustive research in books and the internet regarding purchasing a home, mortgages, loan terms, rates, taxes, escrows, insurance, etc...the final loan documents were still a struggle to read and understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Paul. I think the percentage of lenders who actually deceived their clients is very small, compared to those who just fell for the &#8217;sale&#8217; knowing full well what the terms were. Owning a home is the American dream, I would dare say we see it as an American entitlement. Buying on time is the new family budget, and how many of these people buying into teaser-rate loans said &#8220;sure, I&#8217;m working at McDonald&#8217;s now and have $20k in credit card debt, but in 5 years when this ARM adjusts I&#8217;ll have a better job, have the debt paid off, and can refinance into a better loan.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it didn&#8217;t happen, or they failed to adjust their budget in preparation for the upcoming rate hike &#8211; something they should have started from year 1, or their debt increased!</p>
<p>Or worse they were already deep in debt with a nice mortgage and mountains of equity, and fell for the &#8216;refinance and consolidate&#8217; loans, dumped their unsecured debt into their house (with poor terms due to their now poor credit) and fell back into the debt trap years later &#8211; leaving them with a bad loan, more debt, and a mortgage payment that suddenly jumps a quarter.</p>
<p>A CNN article recently said that the most common subprime at risk of default was a refi. If you&#8217;re refinancing with bad credit, this makes me think other problems exist driving you into the bad loan, the last card before the whole thing collapses.</p>
<p>I put borrowers at the top of that list (and am shocked and disappointed that they aren&#8217;t even on the list at all!) and blame lenders, brokers, etc for only a small percentage of these loans. An even smaller percentage warrant investigation.</p>
<p>However I will admit that when purchasing my house, even after doing exhaustive research in books and the internet regarding purchasing a home, mortgages, loan terms, rates, taxes, escrows, insurance, etc&#8230;the final loan documents were still a struggle to read and understand.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been buying foreclosures for the last few months and after speaking with the borrowers, I&#039;m convinced every one of them knew that they made a foolish decision to get the loan they did. They had unrealistic expectations and were unprepared for any blip in their finances. None had an emergency fund. Yep ,they often had sob stories but it wasn&#039;t the banks fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been buying foreclosures for the last few months and after speaking with the borrowers, I&#8217;m convinced every one of them knew that they made a foolish decision to get the loan they did. They had unrealistic expectations and were unprepared for any blip in their finances. None had an emergency fund. Yep ,they often had sob stories but it wasn&#8217;t the banks fault.</p>
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		<title>By: eR0CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>eR0CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s up to the consumer to be educated.  If you don&#039;t understand what&#039;s going on, you shouldn&#039;t be making the purchase. 

Hand-holding and spoon-feeding stops at 18; unfortunately, most Americans have a hard time getting this.

Go read a book, a few Google&#039;s and looking around on Amazon and Barnes and Noble reveals several sources that can aide the consumer in being knowledgeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s up to the consumer to be educated.  If you don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s going on, you shouldn&#8217;t be making the purchase. </p>
<p>Hand-holding and spoon-feeding stops at 18; unfortunately, most Americans have a hard time getting this.</p>
<p>Go read a book, a few Google&#8217;s and looking around on Amazon and Barnes and Noble reveals several sources that can aide the consumer in being knowledgeable.</p>
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		<title>By: zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance is bliss - and most people are making that claim.

They choose not to read into the terms, they choose not to understand, and they choose to believe that their lender/Realtor are working in their interests (I know - some are, but the point is some *are not*).

People are only interested in the immediate - what I have to pay right now - and not in the future (they said I could refinance for lower payments, plus.. equity! better credit for me to max out!)

It&#039;s one of those things that&#039;s lead me to heavily weigh my house buying options (and continues to do so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance is bliss &#8211; and most people are making that claim.</p>
<p>They choose not to read into the terms, they choose not to understand, and they choose to believe that their lender/Realtor are working in their interests (I know &#8211; some are, but the point is some *are not*).</p>
<p>People are only interested in the immediate &#8211; what I have to pay right now &#8211; and not in the future (they said I could refinance for lower payments, plus.. equity! better credit for me to max out!)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of those things that&#8217;s lead me to heavily weigh my house buying options (and continues to do so).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLP,

&lt;i&gt;I hear ya. Unfortunately, who’s fault is it that the average person doesn’t understand a mortgage?&lt;/i&gt;

I think you could make a very strong case that it is the fault of the banks and brokers.  Do they really need to make the documents dozens of pages long and all written in technical language that is not very accessible to those outside the industry?

And I don&#039;t think that the information to help consumers is very accessible.  I don&#039;t even know what reputable website I would send someone to for information about ARMs.  Where in the library is someone supposed to look to see if they are getting screwed?  With all due respect to you and other bloggers, you guys should not be, and simply are not a very good first line of defense for consumers in this case.

As one simple example of how the government could help disclosure, look at what is done for home equity lines of credit.  When applying for a HELOC, applicants must be given a handout from the federal reserve which explains how it works in plain language.  (This is a regulatory requirement.)  It spells out very clearly that interest rates can and will change, and what the historic averages have been among other important points.  If a similar disclosure were given to consumers applying for an option ARM I&#039;m willing to bet a large number of people would not go through with the loan.  Those who don&#039;t, well then I can say they were adequately warned and they get what they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLP,</p>
<p><i>I hear ya. Unfortunately, who’s fault is it that the average person doesn’t understand a mortgage?</i></p>
<p>I think you could make a very strong case that it is the fault of the banks and brokers.  Do they really need to make the documents dozens of pages long and all written in technical language that is not very accessible to those outside the industry?</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think that the information to help consumers is very accessible.  I don&#8217;t even know what reputable website I would send someone to for information about ARMs.  Where in the library is someone supposed to look to see if they are getting screwed?  With all due respect to you and other bloggers, you guys should not be, and simply are not a very good first line of defense for consumers in this case.</p>
<p>As one simple example of how the government could help disclosure, look at what is done for home equity lines of credit.  When applying for a HELOC, applicants must be given a handout from the federal reserve which explains how it works in plain language.  (This is a regulatory requirement.)  It spells out very clearly that interest rates can and will change, and what the historic averages have been among other important points.  If a similar disclosure were given to consumers applying for an option ARM I&#8217;m willing to bet a large number of people would not go through with the loan.  Those who don&#8217;t, well then I can say they were adequately warned and they get what they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame the the borrowers and the culture of consumption as well as our culture&#039;s disdain for education which breeds ignorance in every aspect of life including finances.  Lenders are also to blame, but to a lesser degree, because they became over-zealous in looking to make a buck and mislead people.  On the other hand, people would be outraged if they didn&#039;t lend to people with poor credit or low net income.

I still believe it is on people to become educated about what they&#039;re getting into especially when you&#039;re spending several times your annual income on a purchase.  And don&#039;t say the tools are available to these people either; they&#039;re able to walk into a public library and hop on the internet any time to research the terms of their mortgages.

Ignorance as a touchstone of American culture is the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame the the borrowers and the culture of consumption as well as our culture&#8217;s disdain for education which breeds ignorance in every aspect of life including finances.  Lenders are also to blame, but to a lesser degree, because they became over-zealous in looking to make a buck and mislead people.  On the other hand, people would be outraged if they didn&#8217;t lend to people with poor credit or low net income.</p>
<p>I still believe it is on people to become educated about what they&#8217;re getting into especially when you&#8217;re spending several times your annual income on a purchase.  And don&#8217;t say the tools are available to these people either; they&#8217;re able to walk into a public library and hop on the internet any time to research the terms of their mortgages.</p>
<p>Ignorance as a touchstone of American culture is the real problem.</p>
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