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		<title>By: maria alvar</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria alvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help!!

I have  $3,700 in my hospital 401k avaiable december 20 2008. I&#039;m loosing my house need to make a payment, need transportation.
Can someone wants to help me and buy from me now and collect december? please help give some advice. mai</description>
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<p>I have  $3,700 in my hospital 401k avaiable december 20 2008. I&#8217;m loosing my house need to make a payment, need transportation.<br />
Can someone wants to help me and buy from me now and collect december? please help give some advice. mai</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your neighborhood is improving, or you can afford private school for your kids, you may think seriously about remodeling or raze-to-the-ground renovating.  SF is an awful place to do this, given the latte lefties running all things related to city planning and permitting, but it still may be cheaper than moving.  Your Prop 13 tax lock-in will stay largely intact, since your &quot;basis&quot; would only increase by the cost of the improvements, versus being completely &quot;reset&quot; to the current market value by moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your neighborhood is improving, or you can afford private school for your kids, you may think seriously about remodeling or raze-to-the-ground renovating.  SF is an awful place to do this, given the latte lefties running all things related to city planning and permitting, but it still may be cheaper than moving.  Your Prop 13 tax lock-in will stay largely intact, since your &#8220;basis&#8221; would only increase by the cost of the improvements, versus being completely &#8220;reset&#8221; to the current market value by moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Livingalmostlarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livingalmostlarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I feel your pain.  I don&#039;t know if I would do it.  Maybe or maybe not.  Is this your final home?  Or will you move again in say 10 years?  What is the likelyhood of your wife wanting to stay at home with kids?  We make close to what you make combined, but seriously our $460k mortgage is a lot.  I like an area just like SF, so my mortgage is for a townhouse only no less.  I don&#039;t think I could swing a $700k mortgage.  When our income goes up more maybe.

Um, I don&#039;t know how much you have saved for retirement, ef, etc.  But it sounds like you can swing it because you are able to pay an extra $1k month on your current mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I feel your pain.  I don&#8217;t know if I would do it.  Maybe or maybe not.  Is this your final home?  Or will you move again in say 10 years?  What is the likelyhood of your wife wanting to stay at home with kids?  We make close to what you make combined, but seriously our $460k mortgage is a lot.  I like an area just like SF, so my mortgage is for a townhouse only no less.  I don&#8217;t think I could swing a $700k mortgage.  When our income goes up more maybe.</p>
<p>Um, I don&#8217;t know how much you have saved for retirement, ef, etc.  But it sounds like you can swing it because you are able to pay an extra $1k month on your current mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi. moved my family to santa rosa from sf 20 yrs ago. worked in sf still,  and had to wake at 3:50a for work and returned home mostly at 4pm for a 12 hr work day. worth it as home prices just a tad more affordable. especially with 2 children. so, have you thought of moving out of the city to save a few housing dollars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi. moved my family to santa rosa from sf 20 yrs ago. worked in sf still,  and had to wake at 3:50a for work and returned home mostly at 4pm for a 12 hr work day. worth it as home prices just a tad more affordable. especially with 2 children. so, have you thought of moving out of the city to save a few housing dollars?</p>
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		<title>By: thefeeonlyplanner</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefeeonlyplanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me repeat what Cathy said:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;...kids are expensive, and more importantly, there’s a good chance one of you will want to take off more time after baby is born or even quit work altogether.

Oh, so true, so true!

Let me share with you briefly a bit on the approach I take:

Do you have an adequate emergency fund?
Are estate planning documents in place?
Are you properly insured (auto, home, life, disability, umbrella, earthquake?).

Have you figured out when you would like to be financially independent (I do not like the word retirement!) so you will have enough to last you until your preferred age of expiration:-)

Will you have kids? If yes, have you accounted saving for their college if you would be picking up at least some of it?

The above is the sacred long term money and you need to start socking it away ASAP, the more the earlier the better!  The rest of your cash flow is gravy...Can you swing the house payments AND expenses that come with it easily WITHOUT touching the long term funding? Well, if you do and you are okay with what&#039;s left over, go for it and enjoy it.  Hopefully you have a safe job you enjoy and allows you to grow your income.

I personally prefer to have some cushion built in since no one is safe these days in our economy.  Proof is all around me in foreclosed homes with former workers in the auto industry...We went house shopping today...Right in Ann Arbor you could get a 3,200 square foot house with full basement and deck and 3 car garage for a little over $350,000..., 4 seasons (winter is not that bad lately thank you global warming)commuting time to Ann Arborless than 10 minutes:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me repeat what Cathy said:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8230;kids are expensive, and more importantly, there’s a good chance one of you will want to take off more time after baby is born or even quit work altogether.</p>
<p>Oh, so true, so true!</p>
<p>Let me share with you briefly a bit on the approach I take:</p>
<p>Do you have an adequate emergency fund?<br />
Are estate planning documents in place?<br />
Are you properly insured (auto, home, life, disability, umbrella, earthquake?).</p>
<p>Have you figured out when you would like to be financially independent (I do not like the word retirement!) so you will have enough to last you until your preferred age of expiration:-)</p>
<p>Will you have kids? If yes, have you accounted saving for their college if you would be picking up at least some of it?</p>
<p>The above is the sacred long term money and you need to start socking it away ASAP, the more the earlier the better!  The rest of your cash flow is gravy&#8230;Can you swing the house payments AND expenses that come with it easily WITHOUT touching the long term funding? Well, if you do and you are okay with what&#8217;s left over, go for it and enjoy it.  Hopefully you have a safe job you enjoy and allows you to grow your income.</p>
<p>I personally prefer to have some cushion built in since no one is safe these days in our economy.  Proof is all around me in foreclosed homes with former workers in the auto industry&#8230;We went house shopping today&#8230;Right in Ann Arbor you could get a 3,200 square foot house with full basement and deck and 3 car garage for a little over $350,000&#8230;, 4 seasons (winter is not that bad lately thank you global warming)commuting time to Ann Arborless than 10 minutes:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the Los Angeles area so I&#039;m sympathetic to John! The thought of a mortgage that big is just a little scary - a big chunk of that emergency fund would have to go toward the mortgage in the event one or both of you lost your job, and speaking of those jobs, how secure are they? You mentioned the quality of schools in your current neighborhood, which makes me think you might be having kids in the future and are moving to a neighborhood with better schools. I can totally understand that, but I&#039;d urge you to go for the lower end of the market when you&#039;re shopping because kids are expensive, and more importantly, there&#039;s a good chance one of you will want to take off more time after baby is born or even quit work altogether. Just a few things to think about - good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the Los Angeles area so I&#8217;m sympathetic to John! The thought of a mortgage that big is just a little scary &#8211; a big chunk of that emergency fund would have to go toward the mortgage in the event one or both of you lost your job, and speaking of those jobs, how secure are they? You mentioned the quality of schools in your current neighborhood, which makes me think you might be having kids in the future and are moving to a neighborhood with better schools. I can totally understand that, but I&#8217;d urge you to go for the lower end of the market when you&#8217;re shopping because kids are expensive, and more importantly, there&#8217;s a good chance one of you will want to take off more time after baby is born or even quit work altogether. Just a few things to think about &#8211; good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to be on crack to take out that mortgage, but that&#039;s probably just me.  (I don&#039;t do drugs, except caffeine.)  It seems barely affordable and the area is one where one should be selling, not buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to be on crack to take out that mortgage, but that&#8217;s probably just me.  (I don&#8217;t do drugs, except caffeine.)  It seems barely affordable and the area is one where one should be selling, not buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I can deeply relate to your situation, as I am in the NYC r.e. market, which has similar characteristics. Try $1.3mm for a 2BR/2 bath apartment, not including the $1600/month building fees/taxes. That is what many of my co-workers are paying right now. The market is still strong in NYC - no frothy - but t still strong with no signs of abating. It&#039;s not uncommon to spend 40-50% of pay on housing in this town, so your situation does not seem all that unusual to me.

As others have stated, the big question is priorities and future expectations. Awhile back we unpgraded our housing even though it would clearly mean I would be cutting off the possibility of early retirement. But, you know what - I&#039;ve come to the realization that my lifestyle in the hear and now is more important to me than early retirement. 

Ultimately, it comes down to choices and tradeoffs and only you can really decide that. Sounds like you and your spouse have been approaching the decision the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I can deeply relate to your situation, as I am in the NYC r.e. market, which has similar characteristics. Try $1.3mm for a 2BR/2 bath apartment, not including the $1600/month building fees/taxes. That is what many of my co-workers are paying right now. The market is still strong in NYC &#8211; no frothy &#8211; but t still strong with no signs of abating. It&#8217;s not uncommon to spend 40-50% of pay on housing in this town, so your situation does not seem all that unusual to me.</p>
<p>As others have stated, the big question is priorities and future expectations. Awhile back we unpgraded our housing even though it would clearly mean I would be cutting off the possibility of early retirement. But, you know what &#8211; I&#8217;ve come to the realization that my lifestyle in the hear and now is more important to me than early retirement. </p>
<p>Ultimately, it comes down to choices and tradeoffs and only you can really decide that. Sounds like you and your spouse have been approaching the decision the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks JLP for posting my information.  Cindy, D, and NCN think more in line with the way I think.

I appreciate the advice from the rest of you guys, but I think Cindy and NCN seem to be more in touch with the market in the area of the country where I live and work.

Leslie, I used to have the approach you are describing.  But after living out here for 8 years, my attitude about owning a house has changed, and the balance of investment vs. home has shifted more toward the investment side.

The people who keep concentrating on the %...  47% of my take home pay is $3700/month.  What you guys are telling me is that if I want to take a $500,000 loan, I should have $7,725 extra spending money per month [would need to make $11,885 because 35% of $11,885 is $4,160].  Likewise for a $600,000 loan, I would need to have $9,100 left over per month, and for $700,000, I would need to have an extra $10,444 left over.  For what?  That just makes any sense at all to me.  Not that I make that much, but if I did why should I be advised to have $10,444 left over?  Richer people don&#039;t have to pay more for milk, bread, and water.

D, your suggestion was one of the best, and you reminded me that last year I paid an additional $20,000 toward my house in two $10,000 payments.  In 2005, I paid $10,000, and in 2004, $5000.  So I have, in effect, been doing what you suggested for the past 3 years - and my money market account has continued to grow by $2000 to $3000 per month (last year), nonetheless.  A quick review, and with the added $20,000 I paid last year, I could have paid for a home that costs somewhere between $900k and $1m - probably about $930k.  Honestly - I haven&#039;t felt any setback whatsoever, and I had several reasons for paying the additonal $20,000:

- Too much in my money market account - and I have to pay tax on the interest I draw on it each year.  After a while it felt like I should put the money somewhere else.  I appreciate how everyone feels about retirement plans, and I contribute to mine, regularly.  But I like to control how much I want to lock up until I retire, because the better I do now, the less I&#039;ll need when I retire.  This felt like a safe way to move my money to some place where it might do more good.
- At some point I wanted to have my house paid off much more quickly, and $20,000 additional per year, would make me debt free in 7 years. [$30,000 would be 5 years! But hey, I had to draw the line, somewhere].
- I really don&#039;t like seeing how much I pay on my mortgage going toward interest, and paying the additional $20,000 means I pay more toward principal than toward interest each month.

NOW...  

I have a decision to make, and like I said - I will move (not I might move).  Unlike Chris, who knows people who live in $250-300k homes in affluent neighborhoods with excellent schools, you can&#039;t buy a tear down in San Francisco for less than $500,000.  I live in $700k house which is at the low end of what I estimate the prices for houses like mine in this neighborhood.  This is a working class neighborhood, with marginal schools.  In contrary to what I hear about the real estate market on the national level, the prices of houses here are still on the rise.

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.  You&#039;ve all given me a lot of helpful ideas and things to think about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JLP for posting my information.  Cindy, D, and NCN think more in line with the way I think.</p>
<p>I appreciate the advice from the rest of you guys, but I think Cindy and NCN seem to be more in touch with the market in the area of the country where I live and work.</p>
<p>Leslie, I used to have the approach you are describing.  But after living out here for 8 years, my attitude about owning a house has changed, and the balance of investment vs. home has shifted more toward the investment side.</p>
<p>The people who keep concentrating on the %&#8230;  47% of my take home pay is $3700/month.  What you guys are telling me is that if I want to take a $500,000 loan, I should have $7,725 extra spending money per month [would need to make $11,885 because 35% of $11,885 is $4,160].  Likewise for a $600,000 loan, I would need to have $9,100 left over per month, and for $700,000, I would need to have an extra $10,444 left over.  For what?  That just makes any sense at all to me.  Not that I make that much, but if I did why should I be advised to have $10,444 left over?  Richer people don&#8217;t have to pay more for milk, bread, and water.</p>
<p>D, your suggestion was one of the best, and you reminded me that last year I paid an additional $20,000 toward my house in two $10,000 payments.  In 2005, I paid $10,000, and in 2004, $5000.  So I have, in effect, been doing what you suggested for the past 3 years &#8211; and my money market account has continued to grow by $2000 to $3000 per month (last year), nonetheless.  A quick review, and with the added $20,000 I paid last year, I could have paid for a home that costs somewhere between $900k and $1m &#8211; probably about $930k.  Honestly &#8211; I haven&#8217;t felt any setback whatsoever, and I had several reasons for paying the additonal $20,000:</p>
<p>- Too much in my money market account &#8211; and I have to pay tax on the interest I draw on it each year.  After a while it felt like I should put the money somewhere else.  I appreciate how everyone feels about retirement plans, and I contribute to mine, regularly.  But I like to control how much I want to lock up until I retire, because the better I do now, the less I&#8217;ll need when I retire.  This felt like a safe way to move my money to some place where it might do more good.<br />
- At some point I wanted to have my house paid off much more quickly, and $20,000 additional per year, would make me debt free in 7 years. [$30,000 would be 5 years! But hey, I had to draw the line, somewhere].<br />
- I really don&#8217;t like seeing how much I pay on my mortgage going toward interest, and paying the additional $20,000 means I pay more toward principal than toward interest each month.</p>
<p>NOW&#8230;  </p>
<p>I have a decision to make, and like I said &#8211; I will move (not I might move).  Unlike Chris, who knows people who live in $250-300k homes in affluent neighborhoods with excellent schools, you can&#8217;t buy a tear down in San Francisco for less than $500,000.  I live in $700k house which is at the low end of what I estimate the prices for houses like mine in this neighborhood.  This is a working class neighborhood, with marginal schools.  In contrary to what I hear about the real estate market on the national level, the prices of houses here are still on the rise.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.  You&#8217;ve all given me a lot of helpful ideas and things to think about!</p>
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		<title>By: Medicated Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medicated Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In September we make settlement on a house that we just purchased.  Our mortgage will be about 38% of our income, which honestly, makes me a little nervous.  I could not image spending 53%, however, I can understand the &quot;California&quot; exception.

Overall, I would 2nd what D stated in living off the &quot;expected mortgage&quot; for 6 months and see if it truly is doable.

And to add to Basil&#039;s comment, didn&#039;t we prove that time travel can be achieved with a simple flux capacitor and fueled by extracting hydrogen atoms from garbage per Dr. Emmett Brown.

-Medicated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September we make settlement on a house that we just purchased.  Our mortgage will be about 38% of our income, which honestly, makes me a little nervous.  I could not image spending 53%, however, I can understand the &#8220;California&#8221; exception.</p>
<p>Overall, I would 2nd what D stated in living off the &#8220;expected mortgage&#8221; for 6 months and see if it truly is doable.</p>
<p>And to add to Basil&#8217;s comment, didn&#8217;t we prove that time travel can be achieved with a simple flux capacitor and fueled by extracting hydrogen atoms from garbage per Dr. Emmett Brown.</p>
<p>-Medicated</p>
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