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	<title>Comments on: Denver&#8217;s Aggressive Environmental Plan</title>
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		<title>By: rmark</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/06/11/denvers-aggressive-environmental-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-112851</link>
		<dc:creator>rmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will just move to the suburbs, Denver will look bettter but the surrounding area will look worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will just move to the suburbs, Denver will look bettter but the surrounding area will look worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/06/11/denvers-aggressive-environmental-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-112512</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: When they introduced the tier pricing, did they decrease the lowest tier, or just increase rates for higher usage levels?  If, as I suspect, it is the second, those who pay more aren&#039;t subsidizing anyone, just lining the coffers with more loot so city government can spend more money.

Ryan: So when those &quot;tens of thousands of people&quot; visited Denver for the US Green Building Conference, did they drive hybrids and actively try to &quot;be green&quot;?

As Kermit says, &quot;it&#039;s not easy being green.&quot;

(Sorry, I had to toss that in.)  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: When they introduced the tier pricing, did they decrease the lowest tier, or just increase rates for higher usage levels?  If, as I suspect, it is the second, those who pay more aren&#8217;t subsidizing anyone, just lining the coffers with more loot so city government can spend more money.</p>
<p>Ryan: So when those &#8220;tens of thousands of people&#8221; visited Denver for the US Green Building Conference, did they drive hybrids and actively try to &#8220;be green&#8221;?</p>
<p>As Kermit says, &#8220;it&#8217;s not easy being green.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Sorry, I had to toss that in.)  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Adventures In Money Making</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adventures In Money Making</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also heard they were thinking of putting a tax on the most polluting cars.

Adding tax is always a dumb idea. in 5 years even if cars are no longer creating as much pollution as today, the tax will probably still be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also heard they were thinking of putting a tax on the most polluting cars.</p>
<p>Adding tax is always a dumb idea. in 5 years even if cars are no longer creating as much pollution as today, the tax will probably still be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously doubt they&#039;d make people move away. A lot of people who come to Colorado to enjoy the beautiful scenery and nature. A cleaner environment would only strengthen Colorado&#039;s &quot;brand.&quot; The ideas they&#039;re talking about would probably attract even more residents. Of course, that might not be what they want....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously doubt they&#8217;d make people move away. A lot of people who come to Colorado to enjoy the beautiful scenery and nature. A cleaner environment would only strengthen Colorado&#8217;s &#8220;brand.&#8221; The ideas they&#8217;re talking about would probably attract even more residents. Of course, that might not be what they want&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: edenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>edenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Making heavy users of electricity and natural gas pay &gt;more - Isn’t this already done through electric bills! If &gt;you use more electricity, you pay a higher bill. Right? 


My guess is that currently, the more electricity you use the lower the price is per unit - so even though they have a higher bill, they pay less per kwh.  So the improvement is probably to increase the per unit cost for the higher tiers of usage.


&gt;Setting energy-efficiency standards for new construction - &gt;Aren’t builders already doing this?

Building codes are state/local so I don&#039;t know what CO is like, but at least in PA they are NOT doing this.

As for people moving away, you really think these suggestions are so terrible they&#039;ll force people to leave their jobs? Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Making heavy users of electricity and natural gas pay &gt;more &#8211; Isn’t this already done through electric bills! If &gt;you use more electricity, you pay a higher bill. Right? </p>
<p>My guess is that currently, the more electricity you use the lower the price is per unit &#8211; so even though they have a higher bill, they pay less per kwh.  So the improvement is probably to increase the per unit cost for the higher tiers of usage.</p>
<p>&gt;Setting energy-efficiency standards for new construction &#8211; &gt;Aren’t builders already doing this?</p>
<p>Building codes are state/local so I don&#8217;t know what CO is like, but at least in PA they are NOT doing this.</p>
<p>As for people moving away, you really think these suggestions are so terrible they&#8217;ll force people to leave their jobs? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/06/11/denvers-aggressive-environmental-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-112278</link>
		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s California that Chris is talking about, hybrids with the &quot;carpool lane exemption&quot; have to get stickers that are put on the car so the cops can see that the car&#039;s a hybrid.  Not every hybrid gets one: there are a limited number of these stickers given out every year.  

That said, I don&#039;t really hold with this sort of power-train micro-management.  If they want to do incentives based on fuel economy or emissions, that makes some sense.  But doing this sort of thing based on the design of the engine and power delivery system in the car is silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s California that Chris is talking about, hybrids with the &#8220;carpool lane exemption&#8221; have to get stickers that are put on the car so the cops can see that the car&#8217;s a hybrid.  Not every hybrid gets one: there are a limited number of these stickers given out every year.  </p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t really hold with this sort of power-train micro-management.  If they want to do incentives based on fuel economy or emissions, that makes some sense.  But doing this sort of thing based on the design of the engine and power delivery system in the car is silly.</p>
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		<title>By: db</title>
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		<dc:creator>db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a Denverite, I&#039;m not sure what is so shocking or appalling about these points that would drive people away from Denver in droves.

The Denver metro area is pretty open to environmental solutions like this. For example, we have HOV lanes on our freeways and have made a big investment in a light rail project that is in its third phase to bring efficient train service throughout the metro area and reduce car dependence.

We still have room to improve on the enviromental front however.  I say bring it on!! A greener Denver would only make me happy.

DB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a Denverite, I&#8217;m not sure what is so shocking or appalling about these points that would drive people away from Denver in droves.</p>
<p>The Denver metro area is pretty open to environmental solutions like this. For example, we have HOV lanes on our freeways and have made a big investment in a light rail project that is in its third phase to bring efficient train service throughout the metro area and reduce car dependence.</p>
<p>We still have room to improve on the enviromental front however.  I say bring it on!! A greener Denver would only make me happy.</p>
<p>DB</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle,

That&#039;s a good point.  I wonder if something like this could affect Denver&#039;s economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  I wonder if something like this could affect Denver&#8217;s economy?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean that &quot;renters&quot; can move away. Home owners may be stuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean that &#8220;renters&#8221; can move away. Home owners may be stuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charging more for trash is a no-brainer.

Electricity is already &quot;tiered&quot; in most areas, depending on rate schedule, electricity provider etc. I would think they&#039;d just do MORE of that. That&#039;s a good idea (most) people have a good amount of control over how much energy they use. If they want to save money, they can. Raising the cost of electricity increases ROI on energy efficiency upgrades as well, especially since those upgrades save on the most expensive tier of electricity (if that makes sense).


Construction standards for new buildings happen on a state-wdie level only if those standards are more stringent than nationwide standards. California&#039;s Title 24 is fairly strict, and largely owing to that, California per capita greenhouse gas emissions have not increased much since the 1970s, while the rest of the country&#039;s has increased over 30%. 


The joke about people moving away from Denver is pretty funny, but I think past experiences largely show that these kinds of efforts generally improves an area and raises revenue. See Santa Monica, Portland, Boulder, etc. Even if they don&#039;t, strictly speaking, improve the quality of life somewhere, they vastly improve image. Denver hosted the last US Green Building Conference that attracted some tens of thousands of attendees and hundreds of sponsors. Some city officials may just as quickly be trying to fill their coffers as save the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charging more for trash is a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Electricity is already &#8220;tiered&#8221; in most areas, depending on rate schedule, electricity provider etc. I would think they&#8217;d just do MORE of that. That&#8217;s a good idea (most) people have a good amount of control over how much energy they use. If they want to save money, they can. Raising the cost of electricity increases ROI on energy efficiency upgrades as well, especially since those upgrades save on the most expensive tier of electricity (if that makes sense).</p>
<p>Construction standards for new buildings happen on a state-wdie level only if those standards are more stringent than nationwide standards. California&#8217;s Title 24 is fairly strict, and largely owing to that, California per capita greenhouse gas emissions have not increased much since the 1970s, while the rest of the country&#8217;s has increased over 30%. </p>
<p>The joke about people moving away from Denver is pretty funny, but I think past experiences largely show that these kinds of efforts generally improves an area and raises revenue. See Santa Monica, Portland, Boulder, etc. Even if they don&#8217;t, strictly speaking, improve the quality of life somewhere, they vastly improve image. Denver hosted the last US Green Building Conference that attracted some tens of thousands of attendees and hundreds of sponsors. Some city officials may just as quickly be trying to fill their coffers as save the earth.</p>
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