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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2007/06/20/my-thoughts-on-maxed-out/comment-page-2/#comment-116644</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As that song goes...&quot;There ain&#039;t no good guy...There ain&#039;t no bad guy.&quot; Credit card companies want to make money by any means necessary (who doesn&#039;t?). Very good people go into serious debt for very valid reasons. The best way people can stave off bad credit situation is understanding how credit works. This information can be obtained from various sources. The best way to deal with a substantial amount of debt is combine it and reduce the debt amount. For more information, go to www.creditsolutions.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As that song goes&#8230;&#8221;There ain&#8217;t no good guy&#8230;There ain&#8217;t no bad guy.&#8221; Credit card companies want to make money by any means necessary (who doesn&#8217;t?). Very good people go into serious debt for very valid reasons. The best way people can stave off bad credit situation is understanding how credit works. This information can be obtained from various sources. The best way to deal with a substantial amount of debt is combine it and reduce the debt amount. For more information, go to <a href="http://www.creditsolutions.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.creditsolutions.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: CreditHater</title>
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		<dc:creator>CreditHater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Customers Revenge. Credit card companies will never do anything without sekf profit. Otherwise we wouldn&#039;t have such a great credit card industry today. They have their revenues to make a living and flourish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Customers Revenge. Credit card companies will never do anything without sekf profit. Otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t have such a great credit card industry today. They have their revenues to make a living and flourish.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, your new and improved definition is still of an adjective, not a noun. This stuff informs usage. Where a word can be defined braodly as an adjective, or specifically as a noun (as in the definition I provided that pertains specifically to a film or television documentary, to mean nonfiction) the conventions of usage tell us that we should use the most specific term. If you persist in bending the English language to suit your personal purposes, that&#039;s your busines, but it does not reflect the rules of grammar or the conventions of usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, your new and improved definition is still of an adjective, not a noun. This stuff informs usage. Where a word can be defined braodly as an adjective, or specifically as a noun (as in the definition I provided that pertains specifically to a film or television documentary, to mean nonfiction) the conventions of usage tell us that we should use the most specific term. If you persist in bending the English language to suit your personal purposes, that&#8217;s your busines, but it does not reflect the rules of grammar or the conventions of usage.</p>
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		<title>By: I-Gor</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-Gor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is that we live in a world where most people graduate college heavily in debt.  They have student loans, they have credit card debt, and they don&#039;t necessarily have the skills or experience to pay it all back.  Once a student is &quot;comfortable&quot; with $65k of student loan debt, then what&#039;s a couple thousand more in credit card debt.

Many people make the sma claculation that Customers Revenge described:  &quot;How much will it cost me per month to have everything I want?&quot;

Sadly, the answer is always &quot;way more than you can handle.&quot;

We place great emphasis on teaching high school and college students calculus, algebra and history.  We should probably teach them about personal financial managment.  In today&#039;s day and age it&#039;s a far more useful skill than, say, home ec (but, come to think of it, it could be taught as part of a home ec course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is that we live in a world where most people graduate college heavily in debt.  They have student loans, they have credit card debt, and they don&#8217;t necessarily have the skills or experience to pay it all back.  Once a student is &#8220;comfortable&#8221; with $65k of student loan debt, then what&#8217;s a couple thousand more in credit card debt.</p>
<p>Many people make the sma claculation that Customers Revenge described:  &#8220;How much will it cost me per month to have everything I want?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, the answer is always &#8220;way more than you can handle.&#8221;</p>
<p>We place great emphasis on teaching high school and college students calculus, algebra and history.  We should probably teach them about personal financial managment.  In today&#8217;s day and age it&#8217;s a far more useful skill than, say, home ec (but, come to think of it, it could be taught as part of a home ec course).</p>
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		<title>By: M. J. Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. J. Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I skipped through most of this movie, and I have to say I was disappointed. It&#039;s incredibly one-sided. Credit card companies are just presented as some sort of monolith. There is minimal appreciation of personal responsibility, and there are minimal attempts to do any sort of real education. It would have been well-served by stripping out the extraneous political content though and replacing it with the basic facts of how interest and credit works, which surprisingly is almost totally absent here that I could tell. George W. Bush didn&#039;t put you in debt and Sheila Jackson-Lee is not going to get you out of it.

Having watched this, it&#039;s amazing how ignorant people can be. The mathematics of credit really aren&#039;t THAT complicated and it&#039;s a testament to how some people are either sleeping through junior high or high school or being grossly misserved by them. However, that being said, I actually work in a safety consulting business by profession and it&#039;s amazing how many people ignore things like safety warnings on products where it can be their life at stake, so it&#039;s not surprising people basically embrace a sort of ignorance about their financial condition as well.

Interest is incredibly powerful, as is credit. They are not to be wielded lightly and take responsibility and restraint and can serve you well if respected and used judiciously.

Person I felt most bad for: The woman with the mentally retarded son. I don&#039;t quite understand how he could sign anything legally and have it be binding.

Person I felt least bad for: The widower who just kept taking on debt because they would give it to her and, gee, they must know best. I&#039;m surprised she made it to age 53 acting with such ill-advised trust of total strangers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I skipped through most of this movie, and I have to say I was disappointed. It&#8217;s incredibly one-sided. Credit card companies are just presented as some sort of monolith. There is minimal appreciation of personal responsibility, and there are minimal attempts to do any sort of real education. It would have been well-served by stripping out the extraneous political content though and replacing it with the basic facts of how interest and credit works, which surprisingly is almost totally absent here that I could tell. George W. Bush didn&#8217;t put you in debt and Sheila Jackson-Lee is not going to get you out of it.</p>
<p>Having watched this, it&#8217;s amazing how ignorant people can be. The mathematics of credit really aren&#8217;t THAT complicated and it&#8217;s a testament to how some people are either sleeping through junior high or high school or being grossly misserved by them. However, that being said, I actually work in a safety consulting business by profession and it&#8217;s amazing how many people ignore things like safety warnings on products where it can be their life at stake, so it&#8217;s not surprising people basically embrace a sort of ignorance about their financial condition as well.</p>
<p>Interest is incredibly powerful, as is credit. They are not to be wielded lightly and take responsibility and restraint and can serve you well if respected and used judiciously.</p>
<p>Person I felt most bad for: The woman with the mentally retarded son. I don&#8217;t quite understand how he could sign anything legally and have it be binding.</p>
<p>Person I felt least bad for: The widower who just kept taking on debt because they would give it to her and, gee, they must know best. I&#8217;m surprised she made it to age 53 acting with such ill-advised trust of total strangers.</p>
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		<title>By: Archetypical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archetypical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane -- I don&#039;t see how a person could rationalize a credit card as free money CC companies give away instead of knowing they have to pay it back (with interest).  I don&#039;t know anyone who would enter into a legal agreement without reading the terms first -- and if they would they would have to be held responsible for doing so unless you could prove illegal coercion and/or misrepresentation.

CCC&#039;s don&#039;t generously give people money to spend and then hold them accountable for their mistakes -- they open lines of credit with agreed repayment terms that people choose to spend.

I also don&#039;t think that people who take personal responsibility for their actions and recommend it as a course of action to others do it out of anger, jealousy, or self-righteousness.  A person is either responsible for their actions or they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane &#8212; I don&#8217;t see how a person could rationalize a credit card as free money CC companies give away instead of knowing they have to pay it back (with interest).  I don&#8217;t know anyone who would enter into a legal agreement without reading the terms first &#8212; and if they would they would have to be held responsible for doing so unless you could prove illegal coercion and/or misrepresentation.</p>
<p>CCC&#8217;s don&#8217;t generously give people money to spend and then hold them accountable for their mistakes &#8212; they open lines of credit with agreed repayment terms that people choose to spend.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think that people who take personal responsibility for their actions and recommend it as a course of action to others do it out of anger, jealousy, or self-righteousness.  A person is either responsible for their actions or they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane - Others&#039; choices have a lot to do with you.  A portion of the cost to the credit card companies from people who don&#039;t pay back their debts and go bankrupt is passed on to all of us.  

The credit card industry is highly competitive and there is no real evidence that the hundreds of banks and financial institutions that offer them have conspired to take advantage of people and charge them higher than market rates.  There is no one to blame here but the consumers who lack self control.  DHP gave the perfect example of the infantilism I was talking about when he said &quot;But you wouldn’t put a child in a room full of drugs and candy and blame them for taking the drugs would you? Why? Because they are kids and don’t know any better.&quot;  But we are not dealing with kids here.  These are adults who do, or should, know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane &#8211; Others&#8217; choices have a lot to do with you.  A portion of the cost to the credit card companies from people who don&#8217;t pay back their debts and go bankrupt is passed on to all of us.  </p>
<p>The credit card industry is highly competitive and there is no real evidence that the hundreds of banks and financial institutions that offer them have conspired to take advantage of people and charge them higher than market rates.  There is no one to blame here but the consumers who lack self control.  DHP gave the perfect example of the infantilism I was talking about when he said &#8220;But you wouldn’t put a child in a room full of drugs and candy and blame them for taking the drugs would you? Why? Because they are kids and don’t know any better.&#8221;  But we are not dealing with kids here.  These are adults who do, or should, know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen - it is helpful to know basic parts of speech, as well as vocabulary.  The part of my post that got cut off (because of some formatting or computer stuff I don&#039;t understand), is this:

&quot;FACTUAL, OBJECTIVE [a documentary film of the war]&quot;.

Merriam-Webster.  Hard to argue with that.  Factual AND objective.  And &quot;documentary&quot; the noun is simply &quot;a documentary presentation (as a film or novel)&quot;.  A factual and objective presentation such as a film or novel.  Helpful to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen &#8211; it is helpful to know basic parts of speech, as well as vocabulary.  The part of my post that got cut off (because of some formatting or computer stuff I don&#8217;t understand), is this:</p>
<p>&#8220;FACTUAL, OBJECTIVE [a documentary film of the war]&#8220;.</p>
<p>Merriam-Webster.  Hard to argue with that.  Factual AND objective.  And &#8220;documentary&#8221; the noun is simply &#8220;a documentary presentation (as a film or novel)&#8221;.  A factual and objective presentation such as a film or novel.  Helpful to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I&#039;m being a realist I realize that people really ARE taken advantage of by CCCs.  They DO NOT think of it as borrowing someone else&#039;s money and promising to pay it back later.  They think of it as being their own money.  So as a realist I understand that there is a problem and that there needs to be more balance in the system.  CCCs are absolutely w/out a doubt predatory.  

Now let the tightwad in me speak.  I think people are so hard on those in CC debt because of the sacrifices we make every day.  I really, really want new things.  I watch people around me getting new things.  I resent the hell out of the fact that they get them and I don&#039;t.  My answer to that is to respond in anger and self-righteousness about personal responsibility:  Who are they to whine!?  They took money that they didn&#039;t have and bought things they couldn&#039;t afford.  They agreed to the terms when they spent the money the CCC generously gave them.  They have no right to complain about it being unfair!!  What&#039;s unfair is that they spent money they didn&#039;t have!!

Bottom line is that other&#039;s choices really have nothing to do with me.  It&#039;s just really easy to take my anger at the sacrifices I have to make to live debt-free and turn that on others to justify my jealousy over what they have and I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I&#8217;m being a realist I realize that people really ARE taken advantage of by CCCs.  They DO NOT think of it as borrowing someone else&#8217;s money and promising to pay it back later.  They think of it as being their own money.  So as a realist I understand that there is a problem and that there needs to be more balance in the system.  CCCs are absolutely w/out a doubt predatory.  </p>
<p>Now let the tightwad in me speak.  I think people are so hard on those in CC debt because of the sacrifices we make every day.  I really, really want new things.  I watch people around me getting new things.  I resent the hell out of the fact that they get them and I don&#8217;t.  My answer to that is to respond in anger and self-righteousness about personal responsibility:  Who are they to whine!?  They took money that they didn&#8217;t have and bought things they couldn&#8217;t afford.  They agreed to the terms when they spent the money the CCC generously gave them.  They have no right to complain about it being unfair!!  What&#8217;s unfair is that they spent money they didn&#8217;t have!!</p>
<p>Bottom line is that other&#8217;s choices really have nothing to do with me.  It&#8217;s just really easy to take my anger at the sacrifices I have to make to live debt-free and turn that on others to justify my jealousy over what they have and I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the interesting points that came up during the bankruptcy bill debate was that the stigma of bankruptcy had gone away and that people were know using bankruptcy not as a fail safe, but as a financial tool. That bankruptcy bill, at least the main parts, had passed numerous times without objections only to be held up due to an abortion issue (please don&#039;t start talking about abortion). 

I think personal responsibility is key, but I do have to take to task the CC companies. They extend credit to people who do not merit it and then when they don&#039;t get paid they want to change the law. Well in my mind responsibility works both ways. When you make terrible business decisions there are consequences, or should be. Lobbying to make the bankruptcy and credit laws tougher may make sense, but it should not absolve the industry from its bad decisions. Credit card companies assume risk for unsecured debt and profit in the form of higher interest rates for accepting higher risk. Unsecured debt is exactly what it sounds like. Don&#039;t want the risk, don&#039;t issue the credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the interesting points that came up during the bankruptcy bill debate was that the stigma of bankruptcy had gone away and that people were know using bankruptcy not as a fail safe, but as a financial tool. That bankruptcy bill, at least the main parts, had passed numerous times without objections only to be held up due to an abortion issue (please don&#8217;t start talking about abortion). </p>
<p>I think personal responsibility is key, but I do have to take to task the CC companies. They extend credit to people who do not merit it and then when they don&#8217;t get paid they want to change the law. Well in my mind responsibility works both ways. When you make terrible business decisions there are consequences, or should be. Lobbying to make the bankruptcy and credit laws tougher may make sense, but it should not absolve the industry from its bad decisions. Credit card companies assume risk for unsecured debt and profit in the form of higher interest rates for accepting higher risk. Unsecured debt is exactly what it sounds like. Don&#8217;t want the risk, don&#8217;t issue the credit.</p>
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