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	<title>Comments on: My Wife&#8217;s Company Will Begin Offering the Roth 401(k) Next Year</title>
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		<title>By: Hasheem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hasheem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Roth 401k was built with the highly compensated employee in mind, someone who is making greater than $110,000 a year. I searched on the net and found The Roth &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.research401krollover.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;401k&lt;/a&gt; provides a greater advantage to highly compensated employees who cannot contribute to a Roth IRA due to the income phase-out ranges and salary limits imposed on Roth IRAs. Eligibility for 2009 income phase-out ranges is between $105,000 and $120,000 for single filers and $166,000 to $176,000 for those who are married and file jointly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Roth 401k was built with the highly compensated employee in mind, someone who is making greater than $110,000 a year. I searched on the net and found The Roth <a href="http://www.research401krollover.com" rel="nofollow">401k</a> provides a greater advantage to highly compensated employees who cannot contribute to a Roth IRA due to the income phase-out ranges and salary limits imposed on Roth IRAs. Eligibility for 2009 income phase-out ranges is between $105,000 and $120,000 for single filers and $166,000 to $176,000 for those who are married and file jointly.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Money Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Money Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 2million</title>
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		<dc:creator>2million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John -- a big benefit of the roth 401(k) for me is the ability to save significantly more (net) each year for retirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John &#8212; a big benefit of the roth 401(k) for me is the ability to save significantly more (net) each year for retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just switched to a roth 401k and the impact is hardly noticed in my paycheck. The end result will be much better than the traditional 401k.

I don&#039;t think gov&#039;t will change the policy on the Roth - unless those politicians don&#039;t want to be reelected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just switched to a roth 401k and the impact is hardly noticed in my paycheck. The end result will be much better than the traditional 401k.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think gov&#8217;t will change the policy on the Roth &#8211; unless those politicians don&#8217;t want to be reelected.</p>
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		<title>By: Compounding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compounding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EA and JLP,

Company matches do indeed have to go into a &quot;Rollover IRA&quot; and not a Roth IRA.  I just went through the process myself, and I will have to say it is a bit of a pain because not many people have done this yet, as the Roth 401k is still so new.  When I asked for the forms, the administrator did not send forms for me to handle both, and I didn&#039;t really feel comfortable making a copy and modifying it (by hand, crossing stuff out and writing stuff above it), but that is what they told me to do.  

My gut instinct may have been right, though.  My employer match transfered into my Rollover IRA last week.  As of yet, my contributions have not made their way into my Roth IRA.  I am calling them today to find out what is up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EA and JLP,</p>
<p>Company matches do indeed have to go into a &#8220;Rollover IRA&#8221; and not a Roth IRA.  I just went through the process myself, and I will have to say it is a bit of a pain because not many people have done this yet, as the Roth 401k is still so new.  When I asked for the forms, the administrator did not send forms for me to handle both, and I didn&#8217;t really feel comfortable making a copy and modifying it (by hand, crossing stuff out and writing stuff above it), but that is what they told me to do.  </p>
<p>My gut instinct may have been right, though.  My employer match transfered into my Rollover IRA last week.  As of yet, my contributions have not made their way into my Roth IRA.  I am calling them today to find out what is up.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EA,

I&#039;m almost positive that the employer match would have to go in a separate account that is taxable upon retirement.  Why?  Because your company gets a tax deduction wehn they make contributions to your 401(k).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EA,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost positive that the employer match would have to go in a separate account that is taxable upon retirement.  Why?  Because your company gets a tax deduction wehn they make contributions to your 401(k).</p>
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		<title>By: EA</title>
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		<dc:creator>EA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company starting offering the Roth 401(k) July 1.  For some of the reasons mentioned above (e.g. tax diversity) I decided to split my contributions as well.  Interestingly our plan doesn&#039;t make clear what happens with the employer match, and the call I made to HR July 1 landed me with someone who wasn&#039;t sure either.

I&#039;ve left the 6% contribution required for employer match in the regular 401(k) and moved the 4% over (I contribute 10% of my salary in total) to the Roth.  I don&#039;t yet know if the employer match stays with the regular 401(k) or gets split 60/40.  We&#039;ll find out in early August!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company starting offering the Roth 401(k) July 1.  For some of the reasons mentioned above (e.g. tax diversity) I decided to split my contributions as well.  Interestingly our plan doesn&#8217;t make clear what happens with the employer match, and the call I made to HR July 1 landed me with someone who wasn&#8217;t sure either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve left the 6% contribution required for employer match in the regular 401(k) and moved the 4% over (I contribute 10% of my salary in total) to the Roth.  I don&#8217;t yet know if the employer match stays with the regular 401(k) or gets split 60/40.  We&#8217;ll find out in early August!</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the uncertainty of future tax laws, I really like the idea of diversifying my tax situation.  Just have a look at the tax rate rollercoaster over the last few decades.  I think there is a tendency by most people to make savings decisions based on today’s income, long-term capital gains, or dividend rates, but it is much more important to consider the rates at the time you’re taking the money out.  

Since we don’t really know what that will actually look like, it would be nice to have as much choice as possible in the future, not only when we start spending our savings, but as the tax landscape continues to change over the course of the rest of our lives.  With each passing year we can look to pay ourselvs from the most advantages source at that point in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the uncertainty of future tax laws, I really like the idea of diversifying my tax situation.  Just have a look at the tax rate rollercoaster over the last few decades.  I think there is a tendency by most people to make savings decisions based on today’s income, long-term capital gains, or dividend rates, but it is much more important to consider the rates at the time you’re taking the money out.  </p>
<p>Since we don’t really know what that will actually look like, it would be nice to have as much choice as possible in the future, not only when we start spending our savings, but as the tax landscape continues to change over the course of the rest of our lives.  With each passing year we can look to pay ourselvs from the most advantages source at that point in time.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without making the prediction that taxes will be higher in the future (which is probably a reasonable prediction), I believe that the clearest benefit choosing the new Roth 401k plans is for people who are maxing out their current 401k limits.

I look at a contribution of $15,500 to a traditional 401k plan as really a contribution of $15,500 * (1 - .28) for someone in the 28% tax bracket.  The difference (28%) is actually a contribution to the Federal Government&#039;s investment account.  Why?  Because after a lifetime of doing these types of contributions, you will end up with the financial a lump sum minus 28%.  I&#039;m not at all suggesting that this is a bad choice.  I do it.   

However, most of the comparisons being done are comparing a maximum contribution into a traditional 401k plan with the reduced post tax comparable amount in a Roth plan.  

In this analysis, if one&#039;s tax rates stay the same when contributing and withdrawing, then the two methods are identical.  

But what if one of our goals is to maximize our retirement accounts.  Even though it will hurt more to contribute to a Roth 401k plan, in the long run we will have an investment account that is larger because there isn&#039;t any government share.  And isn&#039;t that the primary goal why we started these retirement accounts?  

This benefit of the Roth 401k kicks in when someone contributes to a Roth 401k any amount that is greater than (Max Allowed Contribution * (1 - .28)) up to the Max Allowed Contribution.  In the long run, you will have sheltered more of your income to your retirement plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without making the prediction that taxes will be higher in the future (which is probably a reasonable prediction), I believe that the clearest benefit choosing the new Roth 401k plans is for people who are maxing out their current 401k limits.</p>
<p>I look at a contribution of $15,500 to a traditional 401k plan as really a contribution of $15,500 * (1 &#8211; .28) for someone in the 28% tax bracket.  The difference (28%) is actually a contribution to the Federal Government&#8217;s investment account.  Why?  Because after a lifetime of doing these types of contributions, you will end up with the financial a lump sum minus 28%.  I&#8217;m not at all suggesting that this is a bad choice.  I do it.   </p>
<p>However, most of the comparisons being done are comparing a maximum contribution into a traditional 401k plan with the reduced post tax comparable amount in a Roth plan.  </p>
<p>In this analysis, if one&#8217;s tax rates stay the same when contributing and withdrawing, then the two methods are identical.  </p>
<p>But what if one of our goals is to maximize our retirement accounts.  Even though it will hurt more to contribute to a Roth 401k plan, in the long run we will have an investment account that is larger because there isn&#8217;t any government share.  And isn&#8217;t that the primary goal why we started these retirement accounts?  </p>
<p>This benefit of the Roth 401k kicks in when someone contributes to a Roth 401k any amount that is greater than (Max Allowed Contribution * (1 &#8211; .28)) up to the Max Allowed Contribution.  In the long run, you will have sheltered more of your income to your retirement plan.</p>
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		<title>By: EMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this site http://www.research401k.com/roth-401k.html, the Roth 401k is subject to Required Minimum Distribution.

But it also says that it can be rolled over to a Roth IRA, which is not subject to RMD.  Sounds like a loophole to me, one that may be closed later.  Probably by making the Roth IRA also subject to RMDs ;(

Otherwise good points.  Except that I think that tax rates could increase in the future -- I think they most likely will increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this site <a href="http://www.research401k.com/roth-401k.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.research401k.com/roth-401k.html</a>, the Roth 401k is subject to Required Minimum Distribution.</p>
<p>But it also says that it can be rolled over to a Roth IRA, which is not subject to RMD.  Sounds like a loophole to me, one that may be closed later.  Probably by making the Roth IRA also subject to RMDs ;(</p>
<p>Otherwise good points.  Except that I think that tax rates could increase in the future &#8212; I think they most likely will increase.</p>
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