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	<title>Comments on: John Edwards&#8217; Plan to Stop Corporate Abuses</title>
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		<title>By: S. B.</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/01/02/john-edwards-plan-to-stop-corporate-abuses/comment-page-1/#comment-203593</link>
		<dc:creator>S. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be the first to agree that the CEO&#039;s of most S&amp;P 500 companies are overpaid.  However, when that occurs at a company, just whose fault is that -- the CEO?  I don&#039;t think so.  Every employee, including the CEO, is going to try to get the most attractive package he/she can.

The root problem is corporate boards that approve this nonsense.  If you were a CEO, wouldn&#039;t you try to negotiate the highest possible compensation for yourself?  Sure you would.  But when a corporate board routinely rubber-stamps a $10 million salary, a $200 million severence package, a private jet, $25 million options grant, etc, with little to no accountability for performance, they are not representing the shareholders correctly, and frankly, unlike the CEO, the board is simply not doing their job in compensation negotiations.

I am not exactly the first to articulate this position.  Marty Whitman has been railing for years about how corporate boards are very, very weak in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be the first to agree that the CEO&#8217;s of most S&amp;P 500 companies are overpaid.  However, when that occurs at a company, just whose fault is that &#8212; the CEO?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Every employee, including the CEO, is going to try to get the most attractive package he/she can.</p>
<p>The root problem is corporate boards that approve this nonsense.  If you were a CEO, wouldn&#8217;t you try to negotiate the highest possible compensation for yourself?  Sure you would.  But when a corporate board routinely rubber-stamps a $10 million salary, a $200 million severence package, a private jet, $25 million options grant, etc, with little to no accountability for performance, they are not representing the shareholders correctly, and frankly, unlike the CEO, the board is simply not doing their job in compensation negotiations.</p>
<p>I am not exactly the first to articulate this position.  Marty Whitman has been railing for years about how corporate boards are very, very weak in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Family Officer</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/01/02/john-edwards-plan-to-stop-corporate-abuses/comment-page-1/#comment-202987</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief Family Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound like me (a lawyer, I mean). I want to say this more often that not when reading anything in the paper: &quot;Please provide supporting facts, conclusory statements are insufficient.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like me (a lawyer, I mean). I want to say this more often that not when reading anything in the paper: &#8220;Please provide supporting facts, conclusory statements are insufficient.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that when he says &quot;all economic growth&quot; he really means &quot;share of income&quot; based on IRS tax return data. Prof. Emmanuel Saez of Berkely seems to have some of the more prominent work on the subject, http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/saez/ is his homepage with links to his papers. 

The statistic that is more dubious to me is the &quot;average CEO vs average worker&quot; comparison. According to the Census Bureau, in 2006 the median income per household member was $23,535. Four hundred times this amount is $9,414,000. According to the IRS, there were only 13,776 tax returns filed in 2005 with an adjusted gross income of $10 million or more, out of 134,372,678 total returns filed. That&#039;s .01%. The Department of Labor estimates there were about 300,000 Chief Executives as of May 2006, not including self employed people. For all of them to *average* $9.4million, when only maybe 15,000 of them filed tax returns for that amount...strains credibility.

Other points to ponder: More and more of the rich are self made, either entrepreneurs or executives. Particularly for the entrepreneurs, how could/would you try to limit their income and wealth? 

Or, why do people always use income as a standard for wealth and economic stability? If you make $10 million but spend $11 million and have millions in debt, how are you really better off than me if I make $50,000 save 20% and retire at 45?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that when he says &#8220;all economic growth&#8221; he really means &#8220;share of income&#8221; based on IRS tax return data. Prof. Emmanuel Saez of Berkely seems to have some of the more prominent work on the subject, <a href="http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/saez/" rel="nofollow">http://emlab.berkeley.edu/users/saez/</a> is his homepage with links to his papers. </p>
<p>The statistic that is more dubious to me is the &#8220;average CEO vs average worker&#8221; comparison. According to the Census Bureau, in 2006 the median income per household member was $23,535. Four hundred times this amount is $9,414,000. According to the IRS, there were only 13,776 tax returns filed in 2005 with an adjusted gross income of $10 million or more, out of 134,372,678 total returns filed. That&#8217;s .01%. The Department of Labor estimates there were about 300,000 Chief Executives as of May 2006, not including self employed people. For all of them to *average* $9.4million, when only maybe 15,000 of them filed tax returns for that amount&#8230;strains credibility.</p>
<p>Other points to ponder: More and more of the rich are self made, either entrepreneurs or executives. Particularly for the entrepreneurs, how could/would you try to limit their income and wealth? </p>
<p>Or, why do people always use income as a standard for wealth and economic stability? If you make $10 million but spend $11 million and have millions in debt, how are you really better off than me if I make $50,000 save 20% and retire at 45?</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/01/02/john-edwards-plan-to-stop-corporate-abuses/comment-page-1/#comment-202835</link>
		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;ll stop corporate abuses by chasing corporations out of the country.  And Wall Street will happily follow; London&#039;s just as world-connected as NYC, and has a better regulatory environment after SOX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;ll stop corporate abuses by chasing corporations out of the country.  And Wall Street will happily follow; London&#8217;s just as world-connected as NYC, and has a better regulatory environment after SOX.</p>
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		<title>By: TIL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be voting for Edwards either, but the whole &quot;lawsuit abuse&quot; claim is very overstated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be voting for Edwards either, but the whole &#8220;lawsuit abuse&#8221; claim is very overstated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be voting for Mr. Edwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be voting for Mr. Edwards.</p>
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