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	<title>Comments on: Stop Paying to Cash Your Check and Save $360,000 For Retirement</title>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in states that eliminated payday loans, the number of returned NSF items went up dramatically. (So its okay for the big bank to make exhorbitant returns but not the payday loan entrepreneur?)  In addition to NSF fees from the banks, those bouncing the checks were likely to suffer late fees, derogatory entries on their credit reports, and potentially service cut-offs (if the bounced check was for a utility) which often entail costly re-connection charges.   The same FRB report detailed a drop in bounced checks and increased satisfaction with banking relationships in Hawaii when the maximum payday loan was increased from $300 to $600 per loan. 

Payday loans carry exorbitant annualized interest rates, however they still may be less expensive than not having them.  It seems hypocritical to slam payday loan businesses when they really aren&#039;t the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in states that eliminated payday loans, the number of returned NSF items went up dramatically. (So its okay for the big bank to make exhorbitant returns but not the payday loan entrepreneur?)  In addition to NSF fees from the banks, those bouncing the checks were likely to suffer late fees, derogatory entries on their credit reports, and potentially service cut-offs (if the bounced check was for a utility) which often entail costly re-connection charges.   The same FRB report detailed a drop in bounced checks and increased satisfaction with banking relationships in Hawaii when the maximum payday loan was increased from $300 to $600 per loan. </p>
<p>Payday loans carry exorbitant annualized interest rates, however they still may be less expensive than not having them.  It seems hypocritical to slam payday loan businesses when they really aren&#8217;t the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, payday loans are a cheaper alternative to bounced checks, and restart fees on utility bills.  If a business can provide cash advances to high-risk consumers at lower rates, then those new businesses should try to compete in the market.  Price fixing and usury limits do not have the intended effect of forcing legal lenders to lower their fees.  Instead, legislating price caps simply forces legal lenders to stop offering loans to certain consumers.

In other words, if legislators cap the fees on short-term loans or bounced check fees, then lenders and banks simply stop offering credit to a large segment of the market.  This is not a solution, as persons living paycheck to paycheck will resort to &quot;unregulated&quot; lenders.  Prohibition failed in other arenas, driving people to unscrupulous providers, and the same occurs when legislators outlaw payday loans.  Typically, when states eliminate payday lending, the consumers turn to unregulated foreign-based Internet payday lenders, as their only alternative to bounced check fees and utility restart fees.

See the following article from the Federal Reserve Board regarding How Households Fare after Payday Credit Bans, for more information: http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr309.html .  It would be far better to regulate and monitor short term loans, and to find ways to encourage competition, then to simply legislate these consumers into the hands of unregulated offshore Internet lenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, payday loans are a cheaper alternative to bounced checks, and restart fees on utility bills.  If a business can provide cash advances to high-risk consumers at lower rates, then those new businesses should try to compete in the market.  Price fixing and usury limits do not have the intended effect of forcing legal lenders to lower their fees.  Instead, legislating price caps simply forces legal lenders to stop offering loans to certain consumers.</p>
<p>In other words, if legislators cap the fees on short-term loans or bounced check fees, then lenders and banks simply stop offering credit to a large segment of the market.  This is not a solution, as persons living paycheck to paycheck will resort to &#8220;unregulated&#8221; lenders.  Prohibition failed in other arenas, driving people to unscrupulous providers, and the same occurs when legislators outlaw payday loans.  Typically, when states eliminate payday lending, the consumers turn to unregulated foreign-based Internet payday lenders, as their only alternative to bounced check fees and utility restart fees.</p>
<p>See the following article from the Federal Reserve Board regarding How Households Fare after Payday Credit Bans, for more information: <a href="http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr309.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff_reports/sr309.html</a> .  It would be far better to regulate and monitor short term loans, and to find ways to encourage competition, then to simply legislate these consumers into the hands of unregulated offshore Internet lenders.</p>
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		<title>By: Productivity Tips, Vested Stock Options, Mutual Fund Reviews @ The Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Productivity Tips, Vested Stock Options, Mutual Fund Reviews @ The Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All Financial Matters: A remarkable bit of information here &#8212; the cost of cashing checks at payday loan stores is much larger than you think. How about $360,000 (pretax) over your lifetime? One can accumulate this amount by avoiding the cashing of checks, and instead funneling the amount saved into investments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All Financial Matters: A remarkable bit of information here &#8212; the cost of cashing checks at payday loan stores is much larger than you think. How about $360,000 (pretax) over your lifetime? One can accumulate this amount by avoiding the cashing of checks, and instead funneling the amount saved into investments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw a commercial for Cashcall and the fine print had the interest rate on the loan at 99.25%.  I thought it was a mistake, but I looked at their website and it&#039;s true. A $2600 loan has a $75 fee plus 42 payments of $216.55.  That is a total payoff of $9095.10!  That is absolutely criminal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw a commercial for Cashcall and the fine print had the interest rate on the loan at 99.25%.  I thought it was a mistake, but I looked at their website and it&#8217;s true. A $2600 loan has a $75 fee plus 42 payments of $216.55.  That is a total payoff of $9095.10!  That is absolutely criminal!</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Family Officer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Family Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever paid to have a check cashed. It&#039;s as foreign a concept to me as not paying apparently is to some people. The APR on those payday loans is frightening, I imagine the fees they charge simply for cashing a check is equally disproportionate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever paid to have a check cashed. It&#8217;s as foreign a concept to me as not paying apparently is to some people. The APR on those payday loans is frightening, I imagine the fees they charge simply for cashing a check is equally disproportionate.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is easy to dump on the &quot;quick cash/pay day loan/check cashing places&quot;  because most people can see that they are a financial ripoff. But on the other hand, some of the people using these places would be going to friends and family, the pawnshop, or loan shark otherwise, so how much worse are they really?  Vinny the loan shark doesn&#039;t have any regulation at all.  At least the pay day loan places don&#039;t send someone with a baseball bat over to your house in the middle of the night.

And have you seen your banks list of fees?  My bank (Wells Fargo) charges $2.50 to use some on else&#039;s ATM.  That&#039;s on top of the amount the ATM&#039;s owner charges.  How about fees for late payments or bounced checks?  Or stop-payment fees, fees for internet bill paying?  Fees for dropping below a certain minimum balance?  It goes on and on.  To me, it&#039;s not that clear cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to dump on the &#8220;quick cash/pay day loan/check cashing places&#8221;  because most people can see that they are a financial ripoff. But on the other hand, some of the people using these places would be going to friends and family, the pawnshop, or loan shark otherwise, so how much worse are they really?  Vinny the loan shark doesn&#8217;t have any regulation at all.  At least the pay day loan places don&#8217;t send someone with a baseball bat over to your house in the middle of the night.</p>
<p>And have you seen your banks list of fees?  My bank (Wells Fargo) charges $2.50 to use some on else&#8217;s ATM.  That&#8217;s on top of the amount the ATM&#8217;s owner charges.  How about fees for late payments or bounced checks?  Or stop-payment fees, fees for internet bill paying?  Fees for dropping below a certain minimum balance?  It goes on and on.  To me, it&#8217;s not that clear cut.</p>
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		<title>By: lm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks...you&#039;re not recognizing that payday loan customers are not the &quot;unbanked&quot;- as they have to have a checking account to take out a payday loan.  The reality is that people use payday loans to avoid the overdraft and other fees that their bank and credit union would charge them.

Anyone whose every bounced a check (average fee is $27.40) or paid a credit card bill late ($39) or had overdraft protection kick in ($29) should clearly understand a reasonable person would use a payday loan ($15 per $100).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks&#8230;you&#8217;re not recognizing that payday loan customers are not the &#8220;unbanked&#8221;- as they have to have a checking account to take out a payday loan.  The reality is that people use payday loans to avoid the overdraft and other fees that their bank and credit union would charge them.</p>
<p>Anyone whose every bounced a check (average fee is $27.40) or paid a credit card bill late ($39) or had overdraft protection kick in ($29) should clearly understand a reasonable person would use a payday loan ($15 per $100).</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disadvantaged are taken advantage of by these tactics all the time. Payday loans are rip offs, and I agree with JLP that they are preying on their customers. Now that tax season is here we should mention the refund anticipation loans as well. They charge egregious fees for someone to get their money a week or two early.

Education is the only way to break these people of their habits, but even then only a small percentage will actually learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disadvantaged are taken advantage of by these tactics all the time. Payday loans are rip offs, and I agree with JLP that they are preying on their customers. Now that tax season is here we should mention the refund anticipation loans as well. They charge egregious fees for someone to get their money a week or two early.</p>
<p>Education is the only way to break these people of their habits, but even then only a small percentage will actually learn.</p>
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		<title>By: GS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post and a good effort on the parts of Bill and the Governor.  FYI, you&#039;ve linked the the wrong report.  The Brookings report referenced in the op-ed is here: http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2008/01_banking_fellowes.aspx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post and a good effort on the parts of Bill and the Governor.  FYI, you&#8217;ve linked the the wrong report.  The Brookings report referenced in the op-ed is here: <a href="http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2008/01_banking_fellowes.aspx." rel="nofollow">http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2008/01_banking_fellowes.aspx.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning: I am a part time employee of H&amp;R Block

H&amp;R Block have taken this approach with their Emerald Card.  It&#039;s a bank card handled by H&amp;R Block Bank that provides a spending (debit) account, savings account (4.0%APY), and a line of credit.  All can be used without a credit check (the line of credit is available up to the amount in the savings account).  The goal is to have lower income workers load the card by direct deposit (available both for their refunds and paychecks).  This is all well and good if the client doesn&#039;t need to use any of our other banking options such as RAC&#039;s and RAL&#039;s whihc have additional fees in addition to our filing fees.

I know there is a general consensus to hate H&amp;R Block, though there are associates that do their best to lead their clients into better habits regarding their personal finances.  I  have forgone quite a bit of commision by trying to get my clients to understand that waiting for the government to send you your refund is much better than taking a RAC or RAL (which may have 40+% interest rates).  If they don&#039;t have accounts with another bank I also tey to get them to understand the savings they can recieve by not cashing their checks at a check cashing place, but rather load the card (free) and then head to the local grocery store and request cash back on their purchases (also free).

I&#039;ve personally have not moved a single card, though I have managed to get people to relax their time constraint on how quickly they recieve their funds.  I try to help people understand the benefits of saving whenever I can and to the best of my ability (I am not employed as a financial planner by H&amp;R Block, so I am in violation of my contract by providing too much advice, rather than refering them to H&amp;R Block&#039;s advisors), since most of Block&#039;s clients are coming in because they need the refund immediately to pay off bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning: I am a part time employee of H&amp;R Block</p>
<p>H&amp;R Block have taken this approach with their Emerald Card.  It&#8217;s a bank card handled by H&amp;R Block Bank that provides a spending (debit) account, savings account (4.0%APY), and a line of credit.  All can be used without a credit check (the line of credit is available up to the amount in the savings account).  The goal is to have lower income workers load the card by direct deposit (available both for their refunds and paychecks).  This is all well and good if the client doesn&#8217;t need to use any of our other banking options such as RAC&#8217;s and RAL&#8217;s whihc have additional fees in addition to our filing fees.</p>
<p>I know there is a general consensus to hate H&amp;R Block, though there are associates that do their best to lead their clients into better habits regarding their personal finances.  I  have forgone quite a bit of commision by trying to get my clients to understand that waiting for the government to send you your refund is much better than taking a RAC or RAL (which may have 40+% interest rates).  If they don&#8217;t have accounts with another bank I also tey to get them to understand the savings they can recieve by not cashing their checks at a check cashing place, but rather load the card (free) and then head to the local grocery store and request cash back on their purchases (also free).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally have not moved a single card, though I have managed to get people to relax their time constraint on how quickly they recieve their funds.  I try to help people understand the benefits of saving whenever I can and to the best of my ability (I am not employed as a financial planner by H&amp;R Block, so I am in violation of my contract by providing too much advice, rather than refering them to H&amp;R Block&#8217;s advisors), since most of Block&#8217;s clients are coming in because they need the refund immediately to pay off bills.</p>
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