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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/02/09/some-insight-from-jeremy-grantham/comment-page-1/#comment-239378</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad,

I don&#039;t think the mortgage deduction is bad math at all.  It&#039;s a benefit of having a mortgage, but shouldn&#039;t be the only reason to get a mortgage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the mortgage deduction is bad math at all.  It&#8217;s a benefit of having a mortgage, but shouldn&#8217;t be the only reason to get a mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/02/09/some-insight-from-jeremy-grantham/comment-page-1/#comment-239373</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mortgage tax deduction is BAD math anyways.
you have a $10K loan at 10% interest... you pay 1000 bucks for the years interest right? ok.
with the deduction you can remove that 1000 bucks from your income. so if you were in a 25% tax bracket you would pay 250 dollars less in taxes with this deduction.
in essense, you are paying $1.00 to the mortgage company to save 25¢ in taxes.  hmmm... i dunno, i&#039;d rather have no mortgage, pay the quarter&#039;s worth of tax and keep the remaining 75¢....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mortgage tax deduction is BAD math anyways.<br />
you have a $10K loan at 10% interest&#8230; you pay 1000 bucks for the years interest right? ok.<br />
with the deduction you can remove that 1000 bucks from your income. so if you were in a 25% tax bracket you would pay 250 dollars less in taxes with this deduction.<br />
in essense, you are paying $1.00 to the mortgage company to save 25¢ in taxes.  hmmm&#8230; i dunno, i&#8217;d rather have no mortgage, pay the quarter&#8217;s worth of tax and keep the remaining 75¢&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you think about it, in the long run the price of houses can&#039;t exceed the ability of people to pay the mortgage.  In the short run there are bubbles when house prices rise above where they should be, bubbles due to due local and regional market distortions (hot markets), and bubbles due to subprime lending enabling people to buy more house than they can afford.  But in the long run, houses can&#039;t appreciate any faster that the ability of people to pay for them does.  Someone has to buy the houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about it, in the long run the price of houses can&#8217;t exceed the ability of people to pay the mortgage.  In the short run there are bubbles when house prices rise above where they should be, bubbles due to due local and regional market distortions (hot markets), and bubbles due to subprime lending enabling people to buy more house than they can afford.  But in the long run, houses can&#8217;t appreciate any faster that the ability of people to pay for them does.  Someone has to buy the houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernesto@InsuranceYak.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernesto@InsuranceYak.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post JP, lots of interesting points to ponder.  The &#039;how do they afford it?&#039; question comes up quite a bit in my house. 

Some insight from my self-employed days:  If you&#039;re self employed (non w2 worker) than those Hummers &amp; Suburbans are a huge tax write off.  Depending on which way the wind is blowing in Washington (they keep changing the depreciation schedule), you can depreciate any vehicle over 6000 pounds directly lowering your taxable income.  Since self-employed people can (as do) write off everything under the sun, there is little income left to tax when they get to the itemized deductions.  Kick in a few tax credits and we&#039;re talking zero taxes Plus a check from the IRS.  

I&#039;ve talked with tax advisers who&#039;ve dealt with the self-employed all their lives. They&#039;ll advise them to pay taxes for a few years prior to age 65 so they can have SOME income show up and be eligable for Social Security.  

It&#039;s easier to afford the huge house and the big cars in the driveway when you don&#039;t pay taxes.  If you&#039;re interested, I&#039;ll write an article when my taxes are done this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post JP, lots of interesting points to ponder.  The &#8216;how do they afford it?&#8217; question comes up quite a bit in my house. </p>
<p>Some insight from my self-employed days:  If you&#8217;re self employed (non w2 worker) than those Hummers &amp; Suburbans are a huge tax write off.  Depending on which way the wind is blowing in Washington (they keep changing the depreciation schedule), you can depreciate any vehicle over 6000 pounds directly lowering your taxable income.  Since self-employed people can (as do) write off everything under the sun, there is little income left to tax when they get to the itemized deductions.  Kick in a few tax credits and we&#8217;re talking zero taxes Plus a check from the IRS.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked with tax advisers who&#8217;ve dealt with the self-employed all their lives. They&#8217;ll advise them to pay taxes for a few years prior to age 65 so they can have SOME income show up and be eligable for Social Security.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easier to afford the huge house and the big cars in the driveway when you don&#8217;t pay taxes.  If you&#8217;re interested, I&#8217;ll write an article when my taxes are done this year.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

You&#039;re right.  It&#039;s hard to deduct mortgage interest if that&#039;s the only deduction you have.  But, add all the other deductions to it (for us tithe is a big one) and it isn&#039;t as hard to get the deduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s hard to deduct mortgage interest if that&#8217;s the only deduction you have.  But, add all the other deductions to it (for us tithe is a big one) and it isn&#8217;t as hard to get the deduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, are you sure you added all of your deductions - not just mortgage, but property tax, state tax, charitable contributions? You mortgage must be very low and you are probably in a very low tax state. For a $1000 a month in interest - not too high given today&#039;s prices, this would be $12000 a year - already over standard deduction. Add to it property taxes and state income tax (local sales tax if you are in a low tax state) and you are way above standard deduction. 

Agree that the home prices will likely to fall more. The ownership cost adjusted for taxes is normally close to the rent one would pay for a similar property. Today there is a huge discrepancy between rents and prices. The slump in the 90s lasted for years (here in NY). As much as I hate the idea of my home value going down, I just don&#039;t see how these prices can hold. How is today&#039;s situation better than what we saw in the 90s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, are you sure you added all of your deductions &#8211; not just mortgage, but property tax, state tax, charitable contributions? You mortgage must be very low and you are probably in a very low tax state. For a $1000 a month in interest &#8211; not too high given today&#8217;s prices, this would be $12000 a year &#8211; already over standard deduction. Add to it property taxes and state income tax (local sales tax if you are in a low tax state) and you are way above standard deduction. </p>
<p>Agree that the home prices will likely to fall more. The ownership cost adjusted for taxes is normally close to the rent one would pay for a similar property. Today there is a huge discrepancy between rents and prices. The slump in the 90s lasted for years (here in NY). As much as I hate the idea of my home value going down, I just don&#8217;t see how these prices can hold. How is today&#8217;s situation better than what we saw in the 90s?</p>
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		<title>By: Karel McClellan</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/02/09/some-insight-from-jeremy-grantham/comment-page-1/#comment-231100</link>
		<dc:creator>Karel McClellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy Grantham provides home buyers and investors with a
valuable tip for spotting housing bubbles: watch the ratio
of family income to housing prices. 

The ratio skyrocketed during the housing bubble for two
reasons: First, the Federal Reserve fueled the housing
boom with historic low interest rates. Second, the Fed
turned a blind eye to risky mortgage products like option
ARMs and negative amortization loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Grantham provides home buyers and investors with a<br />
valuable tip for spotting housing bubbles: watch the ratio<br />
of family income to housing prices. </p>
<p>The ratio skyrocketed during the housing bubble for two<br />
reasons: First, the Federal Reserve fueled the housing<br />
boom with historic low interest rates. Second, the Fed<br />
turned a blind eye to risky mortgage products like option<br />
ARMs and negative amortization loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Housing prices will turn. As Grantham points out in many of his writings, assets mean revert. Stock prices from the tech bubble took three years to return to sanity. Housing just finished year one. 

Also, every major housing depreciation in our nation&#039;s history  has taken place during a recession (whether national or local). Texas in the 80s when oil collapsed. LA and NY in the early 90s during the national recession.

We are seeing housing slow ahead of a true recession. If we see a traditional recession with job losses and reduced spending, housing will follow. Currently, sellers do not need to sell. They can anchor to 2005 prices. When more and more folks need to sell, prices will drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Housing prices will turn. As Grantham points out in many of his writings, assets mean revert. Stock prices from the tech bubble took three years to return to sanity. Housing just finished year one. </p>
<p>Also, every major housing depreciation in our nation&#8217;s history  has taken place during a recession (whether national or local). Texas in the 80s when oil collapsed. LA and NY in the early 90s during the national recession.</p>
<p>We are seeing housing slow ahead of a true recession. If we see a traditional recession with job losses and reduced spending, housing will follow. Currently, sellers do not need to sell. They can anchor to 2005 prices. When more and more folks need to sell, prices will drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished my taxes this week, after I was sure I had all of my paperwork in order.  Once again I took the standard deduction after adding up all of my mortgage interest to compare.

Every time a discussion comes up about good debt and bad debt, someone chimes in about mortgage debt being good because that interest is deductible.  Maybe it is deductible for rich folks, but it&#039;s never going to be deductible for me.

Mortgage debt may be good debt because its costs are offset by the rent you would have paid, because the interest terms are lower than other kinds of debt, and because of the intangible benefits of being in your own home.  But the mortgage interest deduction isn&#039;t even on the radar for lots of &quot;regular folks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished my taxes this week, after I was sure I had all of my paperwork in order.  Once again I took the standard deduction after adding up all of my mortgage interest to compare.</p>
<p>Every time a discussion comes up about good debt and bad debt, someone chimes in about mortgage debt being good because that interest is deductible.  Maybe it is deductible for rich folks, but it&#8217;s never going to be deductible for me.</p>
<p>Mortgage debt may be good debt because its costs are offset by the rent you would have paid, because the interest terms are lower than other kinds of debt, and because of the intangible benefits of being in your own home.  But the mortgage interest deduction isn&#8217;t even on the radar for lots of &#8220;regular folks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tracy ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to read your article,

Good luck ,

Tracy Ho
wisdomgettingloaded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to read your article,</p>
<p>Good luck ,</p>
<p>Tracy Ho<br />
wisdomgettingloaded</p>
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