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		<title>By: Gregoir</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/05/14/gas-prices-have-people-not-thinking-clearly/comment-page-2/#comment-326203</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As stated by others, your math could be incorrect for several reasons, including the assumptions made about her buying habits.  For example, she may be a person who buys a new car every three years anyway.  So she doesn&#039;t care about depreciation, sales tax, etc., because she was going to spend that money anyway.  And she didn&#039;t buy a high mileage car so who is she trying to fool?

We have a 2004 V-6 Accord.  It&#039;s a rocket and 20 mpg is the maximum fuel efficiency for mixed driving, even when you drive like you have an egg under your right foot. 260 horses under that hood!

One easy way to analyze such a purchase for others who might be thinking of doing this is to purchase a more fuel efficient car of the same value and model year.  That takes the depreciation, sale tax, maintenance, etc., out of the equation and you can see what the real savings might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As stated by others, your math could be incorrect for several reasons, including the assumptions made about her buying habits.  For example, she may be a person who buys a new car every three years anyway.  So she doesn&#8217;t care about depreciation, sales tax, etc., because she was going to spend that money anyway.  And she didn&#8217;t buy a high mileage car so who is she trying to fool?</p>
<p>We have a 2004 V-6 Accord.  It&#8217;s a rocket and 20 mpg is the maximum fuel efficiency for mixed driving, even when you drive like you have an egg under your right foot. 260 horses under that hood!</p>
<p>One easy way to analyze such a purchase for others who might be thinking of doing this is to purchase a more fuel efficient car of the same value and model year.  That takes the depreciation, sale tax, maintenance, etc., out of the equation and you can see what the real savings might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!  I have seen sooo many new cars on the road lately.   Car industry is booming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!  I have seen sooo many new cars on the road lately.   Car industry is booming.</p>
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		<title>By: NSW</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/05/14/gas-prices-have-people-not-thinking-clearly/comment-page-1/#comment-314460</link>
		<dc:creator>NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was mentioned above but no one commented on it yet... people have NOT changed their driving habits.  I have a 21 year old smallish car, V6 (with only 100K on it - a modest amount for something well taken care of).  I get right around 25 mpg highway, driving 55.  Yup, 55.  Why should I drive 75-80, do jack rabbit starts, and drive aggressively, at $4.10 a gallon here (regular).  And, although I do not LIKE it as much as driving myself, I take the train (public transit) for my daily commute, walking the 1/2 mile each way on the other end.  (I have to drive to the station from home - which accounts for most of weekday driving).  I even plan my errands on the weekend, so one trip out, EARLY in the morning (or late at night), so I&#039;m not struggling with heavy traffic (idling away).  Small changes that have already cut the gallons I&#039;m using by 2/3 (the train did most of it - and I pay less to take it than I did just to park at work before).
  People zoom around me on the freeway -  I&#039;ll swear most of them are doing 80.  Yes, I love speed myself.  But a little planning ahead (so I&#039;m not running late), and trying to take care of the environment (fewer emissions for one) make sense to me.

Also - the other point people didn&#039;t mention was that the .9% financing is paid for in OTHER ways.  (I used to do financial calculations for multi-million dollar deals - interest free just meant the price is higher, frankly).  There is nothing free - you just can&#039;t see how you are paying for it if the APR is .9%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was mentioned above but no one commented on it yet&#8230; people have NOT changed their driving habits.  I have a 21 year old smallish car, V6 (with only 100K on it &#8211; a modest amount for something well taken care of).  I get right around 25 mpg highway, driving 55.  Yup, 55.  Why should I drive 75-80, do jack rabbit starts, and drive aggressively, at $4.10 a gallon here (regular).  And, although I do not LIKE it as much as driving myself, I take the train (public transit) for my daily commute, walking the 1/2 mile each way on the other end.  (I have to drive to the station from home &#8211; which accounts for most of weekday driving).  I even plan my errands on the weekend, so one trip out, EARLY in the morning (or late at night), so I&#8217;m not struggling with heavy traffic (idling away).  Small changes that have already cut the gallons I&#8217;m using by 2/3 (the train did most of it &#8211; and I pay less to take it than I did just to park at work before).<br />
  People zoom around me on the freeway &#8211;  I&#8217;ll swear most of them are doing 80.  Yes, I love speed myself.  But a little planning ahead (so I&#8217;m not running late), and trying to take care of the environment (fewer emissions for one) make sense to me.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; the other point people didn&#8217;t mention was that the .9% financing is paid for in OTHER ways.  (I used to do financial calculations for multi-million dollar deals &#8211; interest free just meant the price is higher, frankly).  There is nothing free &#8211; you just can&#8217;t see how you are paying for it if the APR is .9%.</p>
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		<title>By: jamey moore</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/05/14/gas-prices-have-people-not-thinking-clearly/comment-page-1/#comment-314226</link>
		<dc:creator>jamey moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a common sense approach about trading cars.  It is hard to give away an SUV right now.  Just ask a car dealer.  They simply don&#039;t want them.  Those they do trade for have lost much of their value.  

We Americans tend to over react at times. I am for waiting it out to see if the current gas situation blows over. It always has in the past.  If it doesn&#039;t, to put it mildly, our country and it&#039;s economy will be in desperate shape.

I drive a 2001 Crown Vic 24 hwy 16 city, its paid for and in great condition.  If I trade it I won&#039;t get fair market price right now.

One thing you did not factor in is that as gas rises people cut back more which will hopefully stabilize gas prices. 

Another factor is people are fed up with being cheated at the pump and will retaliate in some way especially at election time.  Our politicians are slowly becoming aware of this. Like many of us, I do not plan to vote for any incumbant.

Lets see what happens.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a common sense approach about trading cars.  It is hard to give away an SUV right now.  Just ask a car dealer.  They simply don&#8217;t want them.  Those they do trade for have lost much of their value.  </p>
<p>We Americans tend to over react at times. I am for waiting it out to see if the current gas situation blows over. It always has in the past.  If it doesn&#8217;t, to put it mildly, our country and it&#8217;s economy will be in desperate shape.</p>
<p>I drive a 2001 Crown Vic 24 hwy 16 city, its paid for and in great condition.  If I trade it I won&#8217;t get fair market price right now.</p>
<p>One thing you did not factor in is that as gas rises people cut back more which will hopefully stabilize gas prices. </p>
<p>Another factor is people are fed up with being cheated at the pump and will retaliate in some way especially at election time.  Our politicians are slowly becoming aware of this. Like many of us, I do not plan to vote for any incumbant.</p>
<p>Lets see what happens.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: MEW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 02:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, she could have done as I did and buy a new MINI Cooper ($19K) which gets 35/40 MPG (I&#039;m averaging about 36.3 right now.) 

Of course, I only bought  new car because my 92 Ford Taurus finally died (i.e.: needed almost $5k in repairs just to run) and was getting about 19 MPG. :( I still do miss that car, though, but my car payment per year is about what I was paying per year to keep my old Ford running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, she could have done as I did and buy a new MINI Cooper ($19K) which gets 35/40 MPG (I&#8217;m averaging about 36.3 right now.) </p>
<p>Of course, I only bought  new car because my 92 Ford Taurus finally died (i.e.: needed almost $5k in repairs just to run) and was getting about 19 MPG. <img src='http://allfinancialmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  I still do miss that car, though, but my car payment per year is about what I was paying per year to keep my old Ford running.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your math is incomplete.  First of all, as other readers have pointed out gas is steadily increasing and will continue to increase, making the Accord a better and better option.  Second of all, you are missing several important numbers: depreciation, insurance, maintenance/repairs.  Since I am too lazy to run the numbers, I will also use edmunds.com, specifically their TCO (True Cost to Own, http://www.edmunds.com/apps/cto/CTOintroController) using my zip code (yours may vary) for the next 5 years.

Since her Aviator is paid for, I will subtract the financing.  If she buys the Accord, she has $11,000 for the Aviator, lowering her financing.  Since edmunds doesn&#039;t take that into account, let&#039;s just assume she puts it into a high yield savings (money market) account at 3% (ING, etc.) and converts it to $12,380.  I am also guessing edmunds&#039; financing numbers are higher than the 0.9% promotion, but it&#039;s for 24-36 months, so we&#039;ll ignore this.  According to edmunds then, here is how both scenarios would play out:

2003 Aviator Luxury Rwd 4dr SUV:
-Begins with $11,000 vehicle
-Spends $50,112 the next 5 years on gas, maintenance, etc.
-Ends with $4,316 vehicle
-Total cost: 50,112 - 4,316 = $45,796

2008 Honda Accord EX V-6 Sedan:
-Sells Aviator for $11,000
-Buys $26,180 vehicle
-Spends $45,294 the next 5 years on financing, gas, maintenance, etc.
-Ends with $13,000 vehicle plus $12,380 cash.
-Total cost: 45,294 - 13,000 - 12,380 = $19,914

So the Accord ends up costing $25,882 less over 5 years, or $431 per month.  Ignoring inflation &amp; price fluctuations, with this money she can now buy a brand new Accord with no financing.  If she doesn&#039;t sell, she now has a 5 year old reliable car instead of a 10 year old unreliable car and will continue saving.

* I wrote this quickly, so there might be errors, but you get the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your math is incomplete.  First of all, as other readers have pointed out gas is steadily increasing and will continue to increase, making the Accord a better and better option.  Second of all, you are missing several important numbers: depreciation, insurance, maintenance/repairs.  Since I am too lazy to run the numbers, I will also use edmunds.com, specifically their TCO (True Cost to Own, <a href="http://www.edmunds.com/apps/cto/CTOintroController" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmunds.com/apps/cto/CTOintroController</a>) using my zip code (yours may vary) for the next 5 years.</p>
<p>Since her Aviator is paid for, I will subtract the financing.  If she buys the Accord, she has $11,000 for the Aviator, lowering her financing.  Since edmunds doesn&#8217;t take that into account, let&#8217;s just assume she puts it into a high yield savings (money market) account at 3% (ING, etc.) and converts it to $12,380.  I am also guessing edmunds&#8217; financing numbers are higher than the 0.9% promotion, but it&#8217;s for 24-36 months, so we&#8217;ll ignore this.  According to edmunds then, here is how both scenarios would play out:</p>
<p>2003 Aviator Luxury Rwd 4dr SUV:<br />
-Begins with $11,000 vehicle<br />
-Spends $50,112 the next 5 years on gas, maintenance, etc.<br />
-Ends with $4,316 vehicle<br />
-Total cost: 50,112 &#8211; 4,316 = $45,796</p>
<p>2008 Honda Accord EX V-6 Sedan:<br />
-Sells Aviator for $11,000<br />
-Buys $26,180 vehicle<br />
-Spends $45,294 the next 5 years on financing, gas, maintenance, etc.<br />
-Ends with $13,000 vehicle plus $12,380 cash.<br />
-Total cost: 45,294 &#8211; 13,000 &#8211; 12,380 = $19,914</p>
<p>So the Accord ends up costing $25,882 less over 5 years, or $431 per month.  Ignoring inflation &amp; price fluctuations, with this money she can now buy a brand new Accord with no financing.  If she doesn&#8217;t sell, she now has a 5 year old reliable car instead of a 10 year old unreliable car and will continue saving.</p>
<p>* I wrote this quickly, so there might be errors, but you get the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually how I feel about most big ticket items.  My brother and his wife tore out their carpeting to replace it with something green (bamboo).  What happened to the old carpet?  The landfill.  So, not only did they spend a lot of money replacing good carpet, they created more waste in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually how I feel about most big ticket items.  My brother and his wife tore out their carpeting to replace it with something green (bamboo).  What happened to the old carpet?  The landfill.  So, not only did they spend a lot of money replacing good carpet, they created more waste in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: winstonzane</title>
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		<dc:creator>winstonzane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

GAS Saving Tips

1-	Keep Your Car Well Tuned
 2- Keep Tires Properly Inflated
3- Plan Your Trip Ahead of Time

As much as people grumble about gas prices, they have not changed their driving habits.


Dzo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>GAS Saving Tips</p>
<p>1-	Keep Your Car Well Tuned<br />
 2- Keep Tires Properly Inflated<br />
3- Plan Your Trip Ahead of Time</p>
<p>As much as people grumble about gas prices, they have not changed their driving habits.</p>
<p>Dzo</p>
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		<title>By: ConspicuousNonconsumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConspicuousNonconsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my $1000 &#039;86 mr2; I get 29mpg on regular unleaded, while all of my co-workers drive their toy-hauling deisels on 25+ mile commutes. Diesel is a dollar more than gas here, and I get twice the mileage. The price I pay- I drive a car with fading paint and a dinged fender. I smile and put my $52 per week in the bank. Maybe I&#039;m out of the norm in that I don&#039;t tie my self-image to what I drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my $1000 &#8217;86 mr2; I get 29mpg on regular unleaded, while all of my co-workers drive their toy-hauling deisels on 25+ mile commutes. Diesel is a dollar more than gas here, and I get twice the mileage. The price I pay- I drive a car with fading paint and a dinged fender. I smile and put my $52 per week in the bank. Maybe I&#8217;m out of the norm in that I don&#8217;t tie my self-image to what I drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only thing you have not taken into consider is that in reality NO ONE is getting the trade in values listed in KKB, Edmunds, or NADA books for any type of SUV.  The SUV and big pick-up truck market is depreciating weekly in our area.  So it isn&#039;t so much the gas mileage, but the extreme depreciation if you factor that in, and face it things aren&#039;t going to get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only thing you have not taken into consider is that in reality NO ONE is getting the trade in values listed in KKB, Edmunds, or NADA books for any type of SUV.  The SUV and big pick-up truck market is depreciating weekly in our area.  So it isn&#8217;t so much the gas mileage, but the extreme depreciation if you factor that in, and face it things aren&#8217;t going to get better.</p>
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