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		<title>By: Jack Smith</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/07/13/avoid-cashing-out-your-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-444085</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Home renovation is sometimes very expensive but it is worth the expense to  beautify your home.&#039;:&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home renovation is sometimes very expensive but it is worth the expense to  beautify your home.&#8217;:&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: JV</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/07/13/avoid-cashing-out-your-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-442094</link>
		<dc:creator>JV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear Bearnie Madoff has a fund that yields 30%, try him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear Bearnie Madoff has a fund that yields 30%, try him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting a vested amount of $95,000.00 after April of 2009. Is there something I can invest in that will earn me $3000 to $5000 per month?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a vested amount of $95,000.00 after April of 2009. Is there something I can invest in that will earn me $3000 to $5000 per month?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, many buy-and-holders usually give up on their positions at some point where they can no longer bear the pain of a major decline.  That point is usually somewhere near the bottom.  Then the paralysis of fear keeps them out until the new bull phase is well underway. Very few buy-and-holders are able to cope with a major bear.  I&#039;m merely trying to give people the simplest way I know to weather the market&#039;s storms with the least amount of pain.  I&#039;m trying to give them a little more control of their future with a method to reduce the risk of investing in the market.  

I don&#039;t know if we are going to continue this bear phase of the market or if a bull phase will soon return. Anyone who tells you they know--run like hell.
But I do know that moving averages will keep you on the right side of the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, many buy-and-holders usually give up on their positions at some point where they can no longer bear the pain of a major decline.  That point is usually somewhere near the bottom.  Then the paralysis of fear keeps them out until the new bull phase is well underway. Very few buy-and-holders are able to cope with a major bear.  I&#8217;m merely trying to give people the simplest way I know to weather the market&#8217;s storms with the least amount of pain.  I&#8217;m trying to give them a little more control of their future with a method to reduce the risk of investing in the market.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if we are going to continue this bear phase of the market or if a bull phase will soon return. Anyone who tells you they know&#8211;run like hell.<br />
But I do know that moving averages will keep you on the right side of the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/07/13/avoid-cashing-out-your-401k/comment-page-1/#comment-333832</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbk:

What are the results for the same period for the QLD?

By the way, where is your protection if we go into a long term bear market--one that lasts for  several years. We&#039;ve been in a secular bull market for several years, where buy-and-hold can work.  If you can live with risking your future on the bull market continuing--go for it. But you are essentially handing your future off to fate.  My method at least gives you some control over your fate.  If you don&#039;t think we can&#039;t go into a bear market for any length of time, run your tests back to the 1930&#039;s and 1970&#039;s.

Dick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbk:</p>
<p>What are the results for the same period for the QLD?</p>
<p>By the way, where is your protection if we go into a long term bear market&#8211;one that lasts for  several years. We&#8217;ve been in a secular bull market for several years, where buy-and-hold can work.  If you can live with risking your future on the bull market continuing&#8211;go for it. But you are essentially handing your future off to fate.  My method at least gives you some control over your fate.  If you don&#8217;t think we can&#8217;t go into a bear market for any length of time, run your tests back to the 1930&#8242;s and 1970&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Dick</p>
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		<title>By: rbk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware Richard&#039;s advice. He tosses that scheme out there like it&#039;s a sure thing to beat buy and hold. I did one simple example using a random start date (Feb 15 2006) and the conservative strategy he suggests (QQQQ and 200 day moving average). BEFORE transaction costs, his scheme would have you up 6.2%, having cashed out a few weeks ago and not yet bought back in. Buy and hold would have you still in QQQQ with a gain of 7.5%, and that includes the nearly 9% dive in the last 3 weeks. Add the transaction costs of more than a dozen trades and buy and hold wins by an even more comfortable margin.

Might his strategy work sometimes? Yes, it might. But I suggest you do some research because it&#039;s pretty easy to see that it won&#039;t always treat you so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware Richard&#8217;s advice. He tosses that scheme out there like it&#8217;s a sure thing to beat buy and hold. I did one simple example using a random start date (Feb 15 2006) and the conservative strategy he suggests (QQQQ and 200 day moving average). BEFORE transaction costs, his scheme would have you up 6.2%, having cashed out a few weeks ago and not yet bought back in. Buy and hold would have you still in QQQQ with a gain of 7.5%, and that includes the nearly 9% dive in the last 3 weeks. Add the transaction costs of more than a dozen trades and buy and hold wins by an even more comfortable margin.</p>
<p>Might his strategy work sometimes? Yes, it might. But I suggest you do some research because it&#8217;s pretty easy to see that it won&#8217;t always treat you so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous memo does not refer to 401k&#039;s because you don&#039;t have the flexibility to trade ETFs in most plans I&#039;m aware of.  Depending on how fast your 401k responds to your Buy or Sell orders, you can still use the moving average to determine whenby using to be long the market or in Money Market. Use mutual funds that represent a large portion of the market and track it on a chart of the index that most closely represents your mutual fund.  Alternatively, you can actually use the mutual fund itself to track the moving average, taking action on price crossovers.

Dick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous memo does not refer to 401k&#8217;s because you don&#8217;t have the flexibility to trade ETFs in most plans I&#8217;m aware of.  Depending on how fast your 401k responds to your Buy or Sell orders, you can still use the moving average to determine whenby using to be long the market or in Money Market. Use mutual funds that represent a large portion of the market and track it on a chart of the index that most closely represents your mutual fund.  Alternatively, you can actually use the mutual fund itself to track the moving average, taking action on price crossovers.</p>
<p>Dick</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLP:

Your advice against timing the market is probably good advice for those who don&#039;t have a clue about financial matters.  But it doesn&#039;t take a genius to figure out that buy-and-hold can be a losing proposition.  And if you say, &quot;well, you should know your stocks and sell them if they don&#039;t meet your original criteria&quot;--then I consider that just another form of timing.  However, usually by the time you figure out your stock doesn&#039;t meet your criteria, it has probably lost a good portion of it&#039;s value.  Let&#039;s face it, companies are going to do everything in their power to disguise their  problems as long as they can.

I have had considerable success timing the market, both short, intermediate and long term. The typical advice that it can&#039;t be done is just simply wrong and probably bad advice.  It&#039;s bad advice because it can be learned and telling people it can&#039;t be done discourages the uninitiated from even trying. 

Most people don&#039;t want to get involved with managing their money, but they will ultimately pay a very high price for that--like working many more years than necessary.  Yet if they were to just take a few minutes a week to look at a chart of, let&#039;s say the S&amp;P or NDX, they could avoid many of the pitfalls the market presents.

Here is a very simple way (by no means the only way) to &quot;time&quot; the market that will suit many individuals who don&#039;t want to spend much time at it:

l) Invest only in an ETF or index representing a broad portion of the market. (Example, the QLD, which represents the NDX-100 technology sector times 2.)

2) Be invested in that ETF as long as the NDX-100 index remains above it&#039;s 200 day moving average.

3) Sell the ETF and go into a Money Market fund or cash when the index falls below that 200 day moving average.

Check this moving average at least once a week and take action as necessary.  This is the absolute minimum you can do in the form of timing.  It will keep you in the market in most of the good times and out of the market during most of the bad times.  (Using the index in the above example, QLD responds to the NDX-100 index times 2; e.g., if the market goes up 1%, QLD will go up 2%--and vice versa on the downside. A more conservative approach is to use the QQQQ ETF.)

Dick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLP:</p>
<p>Your advice against timing the market is probably good advice for those who don&#8217;t have a clue about financial matters.  But it doesn&#8217;t take a genius to figure out that buy-and-hold can be a losing proposition.  And if you say, &#8220;well, you should know your stocks and sell them if they don&#8217;t meet your original criteria&#8221;&#8211;then I consider that just another form of timing.  However, usually by the time you figure out your stock doesn&#8217;t meet your criteria, it has probably lost a good portion of it&#8217;s value.  Let&#8217;s face it, companies are going to do everything in their power to disguise their  problems as long as they can.</p>
<p>I have had considerable success timing the market, both short, intermediate and long term. The typical advice that it can&#8217;t be done is just simply wrong and probably bad advice.  It&#8217;s bad advice because it can be learned and telling people it can&#8217;t be done discourages the uninitiated from even trying. </p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t want to get involved with managing their money, but they will ultimately pay a very high price for that&#8211;like working many more years than necessary.  Yet if they were to just take a few minutes a week to look at a chart of, let&#8217;s say the S&amp;P or NDX, they could avoid many of the pitfalls the market presents.</p>
<p>Here is a very simple way (by no means the only way) to &#8220;time&#8221; the market that will suit many individuals who don&#8217;t want to spend much time at it:</p>
<p>l) Invest only in an ETF or index representing a broad portion of the market. (Example, the QLD, which represents the NDX-100 technology sector times 2.)</p>
<p>2) Be invested in that ETF as long as the NDX-100 index remains above it&#8217;s 200 day moving average.</p>
<p>3) Sell the ETF and go into a Money Market fund or cash when the index falls below that 200 day moving average.</p>
<p>Check this moving average at least once a week and take action as necessary.  This is the absolute minimum you can do in the form of timing.  It will keep you in the market in most of the good times and out of the market during most of the bad times.  (Using the index in the above example, QLD responds to the NDX-100 index times 2; e.g., if the market goes up 1%, QLD will go up 2%&#8211;and vice versa on the downside. A more conservative approach is to use the QQQQ ETF.)</p>
<p>Dick</p>
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		<title>By: muddlehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>muddlehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wilson, don&#039;t have kids.</description>
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		<title>By: JCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson, you should quit your engineering job and become a fulltime trader. even with $1000, you can have a million in 10 years, a billion in 20 years, a trillion in 30 years. As an engineer, there is no way to make that kind of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson, you should quit your engineering job and become a fulltime trader. even with $1000, you can have a million in 10 years, a billion in 20 years, a trillion in 30 years. As an engineer, there is no way to make that kind of money.</p>
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