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	<title>Comments on: JLP&#8217;s Parenting Conundrum: Raising Responsible Kids</title>
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		<title>By: CreditMom</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/09/09/jlps-parenting-conundrum-raising-responsible-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-364754</link>
		<dc:creator>CreditMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is a tough one for me.  Last week, I got so furious at my son because he forgot his metro card (bus fare card)and his wallet.  I literally refused to give him any money and told him to fend for himself.  This is a pattern with him.  So what happened?  He got a ride with someone&#039;s parent.  Not the best lesson because he got door to door transportation as opposed to sitting on a bus for 45 minutes.  

This morning he did the same thing...forgot the wallet, the pass and his phone.  I had to get to work and I said no way am I taking you back home.  This time I gave him 8 quarters and said you&#039;re paying me back tonight.  In the interim he called my husband (the softy) and my husband drove to the school with his phone and wallet...so basically he bailed him out.  Part of my feels if we bail him out every time he&#039;ll never learn.  The other part of me is coming to the realization that my son (who has been forgetting his lunch since kindegarten) is not going to change no matter how hard a line we tow.  

I guess I haven&#039;t answered the question directly.  I think it just depends on your kid and if you really think he&#039;s going to learn...if not.....is it really worth the stress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is a tough one for me.  Last week, I got so furious at my son because he forgot his metro card (bus fare card)and his wallet.  I literally refused to give him any money and told him to fend for himself.  This is a pattern with him.  So what happened?  He got a ride with someone&#8217;s parent.  Not the best lesson because he got door to door transportation as opposed to sitting on a bus for 45 minutes.  </p>
<p>This morning he did the same thing&#8230;forgot the wallet, the pass and his phone.  I had to get to work and I said no way am I taking you back home.  This time I gave him 8 quarters and said you&#8217;re paying me back tonight.  In the interim he called my husband (the softy) and my husband drove to the school with his phone and wallet&#8230;so basically he bailed him out.  Part of my feels if we bail him out every time he&#8217;ll never learn.  The other part of me is coming to the realization that my son (who has been forgetting his lunch since kindegarten) is not going to change no matter how hard a line we tow.  </p>
<p>I guess I haven&#8217;t answered the question directly.  I think it just depends on your kid and if you really think he&#8217;s going to learn&#8230;if not&#8230;..is it really worth the stress?</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/09/09/jlps-parenting-conundrum-raising-responsible-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-360830</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget my badge for work once in a while.  If I dont leave it in the same place every night like you told your son to do I forget it.  Only you can answer if it was too hard ass, but you do seem like one.  Forgetting things isn&#039;t proof of irresponsibility.  Get him in to the habit of doing things organized at night. My daughter is 11 and I checklist her every night.  A couple of years of that and it will become part of her process.  Just telling kids at this age isn&#039;t enough.  You have to follow through and make sure they do as you ask. Middle school is probably to young for consequences on this. Help on developing habits is probably better. You can&#039;t expect to tell you son something and have him get it on the first couple tries.  If he acted like a responsible adult he would forget it once in a while and turn his own car around to get it... or check the coffee pot... or see if the garage was closed... or put on a bra. Hey, you asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget my badge for work once in a while.  If I dont leave it in the same place every night like you told your son to do I forget it.  Only you can answer if it was too hard ass, but you do seem like one.  Forgetting things isn&#8217;t proof of irresponsibility.  Get him in to the habit of doing things organized at night. My daughter is 11 and I checklist her every night.  A couple of years of that and it will become part of her process.  Just telling kids at this age isn&#8217;t enough.  You have to follow through and make sure they do as you ask. Middle school is probably to young for consequences on this. Help on developing habits is probably better. You can&#8217;t expect to tell you son something and have him get it on the first couple tries.  If he acted like a responsible adult he would forget it once in a while and turn his own car around to get it&#8230; or check the coffee pot&#8230; or see if the garage was closed&#8230; or put on a bra. Hey, you asked.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2008/09/09/jlps-parenting-conundrum-raising-responsible-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-359934</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did the right thing.  He sweated it out for a little while, but you eventually brought him his badge.  It&#039;s what I would have done.

I remember being in high school about (gasp)15 years ago.  I had on shorts that were about an inch too short (but perfectly acceptable to my parents before I left the house).  One of the assistant principals saw me and put me in ISS until my mother could bring me something else to wear.  I was an honor student and a freshman and I was scared to be in ISS with all the misfits (turned out I learned they really weren&#039;t that bad).  But the funny thing is my mother brought my clothes to me and made me change.  Then she let the principal have it because I was missing trigonometry and some other high level classes because I lacked an inch of material.  Of course she did all this out of earshot of me - she wasn&#039;t going to berate the principal in front of me for respect reasons.  But she was right - I should have remained in class til she could get there with my clothes.

So it sounds like you and his school did the right thing (allowing the exception).  It was probably a good learning experience for your son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did the right thing.  He sweated it out for a little while, but you eventually brought him his badge.  It&#8217;s what I would have done.</p>
<p>I remember being in high school about (gasp)15 years ago.  I had on shorts that were about an inch too short (but perfectly acceptable to my parents before I left the house).  One of the assistant principals saw me and put me in ISS until my mother could bring me something else to wear.  I was an honor student and a freshman and I was scared to be in ISS with all the misfits (turned out I learned they really weren&#8217;t that bad).  But the funny thing is my mother brought my clothes to me and made me change.  Then she let the principal have it because I was missing trigonometry and some other high level classes because I lacked an inch of material.  Of course she did all this out of earshot of me &#8211; she wasn&#8217;t going to berate the principal in front of me for respect reasons.  But she was right &#8211; I should have remained in class til she could get there with my clothes.</p>
<p>So it sounds like you and his school did the right thing (allowing the exception).  It was probably a good learning experience for your son.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get this policy of name badges, and the penalty for lack of a badge seems completely disproportional. What kind of school does your kid go to? I think that the bigger question is whether you should go to the PTA or the principal and talk some sense into them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get this policy of name badges, and the penalty for lack of a badge seems completely disproportional. What kind of school does your kid go to? I think that the bigger question is whether you should go to the PTA or the principal and talk some sense into them.</p>
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		<title>By: Slackerjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slackerjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no kids (well she&#039;s a standard poodle and she likes to drink from the toilet so I&#039;ve got my own problems!) so obviously what you need is the advice of TV dad Homer Simpson. Watch the episode &quot;Itchy and Scratchy: The Movie.&quot; Supreme Court Justice or flabby male stripper? The choice is yours!

Is there anything we cannot learn from the Simpsons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no kids (well she&#8217;s a standard poodle and she likes to drink from the toilet so I&#8217;ve got my own problems!) so obviously what you need is the advice of TV dad Homer Simpson. Watch the episode &#8220;Itchy and Scratchy: The Movie.&#8221; Supreme Court Justice or flabby male stripper? The choice is yours!</p>
<p>Is there anything we cannot learn from the Simpsons!</p>
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		<title>By: sth_txs</title>
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		<dc:creator>sth_txs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, ISS for not bringing a badge?

Man, I&#039;m so glad out of the minimum prison security education system.

You are not wasting their lives in a public school are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, ISS for not bringing a badge?</p>
<p>Man, I&#8217;m so glad out of the minimum prison security education system.</p>
<p>You are not wasting their lives in a public school are you?</p>
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		<title>By: triple-e</title>
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		<dc:creator>triple-e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I can&#039;t count the number of times that I have shown up to work without my badge.  At big companies, they have a security desk and you get a spare.  No slap on the wrist or anything.  At small companies, you call someone and hope they came in before you or you tailgate in.  No big deal.  I&#039;ve seen employees that are &quot;TEMP&quot; more than they are themselves through a year.  Even places where you were supposed to wear your badge at all times, it was usually ignored after about a week or so.  

So, I think the punishment doesn&#039;t fit the crime, and can&#039;t believe that they don&#039;t have a better way of handling the situation, since many fortune 500 companies deal with this every day.  

What&#039;s the penalty in TX for forgetting your driver&#039;s license?  A fixit ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I can&#8217;t count the number of times that I have shown up to work without my badge.  At big companies, they have a security desk and you get a spare.  No slap on the wrist or anything.  At small companies, you call someone and hope they came in before you or you tailgate in.  No big deal.  I&#8217;ve seen employees that are &#8220;TEMP&#8221; more than they are themselves through a year.  Even places where you were supposed to wear your badge at all times, it was usually ignored after about a week or so.  </p>
<p>So, I think the punishment doesn&#8217;t fit the crime, and can&#8217;t believe that they don&#8217;t have a better way of handling the situation, since many fortune 500 companies deal with this every day.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the penalty in TX for forgetting your driver&#8217;s license?  A fixit ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were me and I noticed I was missing something that I needed for work (and I was something I&#039;d really get in trouble for not having!) I would definitely return home and get it. Even if it happened multiple times! I sympathize with your son. Being in middle school is tough enough without your parents being against you too! Of course, you did bring it to him - eventually... though it took up more of your time than if you&#039;d just gone back in the first place, didn&#039;t it? :-P 

He does need to learn to keep it with him. However, he IS learning a lesson about how people, especially children, are often subject to ridiculous consequences for small, inconsequential-in-the-larger-scheme actions. Seriously. I&#039;m 37 now with three kids and when I think back to the crap I had to put up with from my parents and other authority figures when I was their ages... it just boggles my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were me and I noticed I was missing something that I needed for work (and I was something I&#8217;d really get in trouble for not having!) I would definitely return home and get it. Even if it happened multiple times! I sympathize with your son. Being in middle school is tough enough without your parents being against you too! Of course, you did bring it to him &#8211; eventually&#8230; though it took up more of your time than if you&#8217;d just gone back in the first place, didn&#8217;t it? <img src='http://allfinancialmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>He does need to learn to keep it with him. However, he IS learning a lesson about how people, especially children, are often subject to ridiculous consequences for small, inconsequential-in-the-larger-scheme actions. Seriously. I&#8217;m 37 now with three kids and when I think back to the crap I had to put up with from my parents and other authority figures when I was their ages&#8230; it just boggles my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at Nickel trying to be funny.</description>
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		<title>By: fivecentnickel.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>fivecentnickel.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a sad sight... A dad driving his kid to school without his name badge. What is this world coming to? Oh wait... Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a sad sight&#8230; A dad driving his kid to school without his name badge. What is this world coming to? Oh wait&#8230; Never mind.</p>
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