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		<title>By: jannet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jannet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is wrong with these people are they mad or what were they closing their eyes and walking or what. This is insane they should have been a shame of themselves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is wrong with these people are they mad or what were they closing their eyes and walking or what. This is insane they should have been a shame of themselves</p>
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		<title>By: No Debt Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Debt Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With target retirement funds they are automatically rebalancing for you every year, no?

So if you had all of your assets in those funds, you wouldn&#039;t have to do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With target retirement funds they are automatically rebalancing for you every year, no?</p>
<p>So if you had all of your assets in those funds, you wouldn&#8217;t have to do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: JimmyDaGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimmyDaGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your life fund investments, you might want to look at Ric Edelson&#039;s latest book, &quot;The Lies About Money&quot;. He explains why he does not like life funds. Of course, his book is all about asset allocation and he presents his own allocation plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your life fund investments, you might want to look at Ric Edelson&#8217;s latest book, &#8220;The Lies About Money&#8221;. He explains why he does not like life funds. Of course, his book is all about asset allocation and he presents his own allocation plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the great advice!  As a bit of a perfectionist, it bothers me not to be able to perfectly manage and allocate all my assets - but it&#039;s not really keeping me up at night, and there&#039;s only so much I can do.  I guess I was looking for a bit of reassurance that it&#039;s ok to look at my assets in mini-portfolios - &quot;retirement&quot; being one, &quot;real estate&quot; perhaps being another, etc.  

I really only have the ability to rebalance my retirement portfolio, so that&#039;s the one I focus on.  And it mostly sits in Target Retirement date funds, so it&#039;s not that interesting or time consuming to manage.  But at least I&#039;m saving!  As Don points out, the difference between &quot;perfect&quot; allocation and &quot;ok&quot; is somewhat negligible, even if everybody could agree on what &quot;perfect&quot; really means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the great advice!  As a bit of a perfectionist, it bothers me not to be able to perfectly manage and allocate all my assets &#8211; but it&#8217;s not really keeping me up at night, and there&#8217;s only so much I can do.  I guess I was looking for a bit of reassurance that it&#8217;s ok to look at my assets in mini-portfolios &#8211; &#8220;retirement&#8221; being one, &#8220;real estate&#8221; perhaps being another, etc.  </p>
<p>I really only have the ability to rebalance my retirement portfolio, so that&#8217;s the one I focus on.  And it mostly sits in Target Retirement date funds, so it&#8217;s not that interesting or time consuming to manage.  But at least I&#8217;m saving!  As Don points out, the difference between &#8220;perfect&#8221; allocation and &#8220;ok&#8221; is somewhat negligible, even if everybody could agree on what &#8220;perfect&#8221; really means.</p>
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		<title>By: Slinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think it makes sense to have multiple portfolios depending on what you&#039;re doing with things. Your &#039;fun money&#039; can have it&#039;s own allocation that you want to try out, your retirement stuff can have a more conservative or at least tried and true method based on a retirement age. Perhaps you&#039;re saving down payment money for a house in 10 years. You might want to put that money in investments to get a little return on it, but with only 10 years, you&#039;d want to be pretty conservative about it.

For early retirement, I plan to have two portfolios. One for pre-65 (in non-retirement accounts so I can access it) and one for post-65 (401k and IRA).

As far as actual asset allocation goes, start with something balanced (and before you ask, balanced any way it can be is good), and then tweak it to be more to your taste and risk tolerance. I&#039;d say leave your properties out of things, but try to go light on any other real estate investments. Asset allocation is pretty arbitrary, so go with what makes sense to you and stick with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think it makes sense to have multiple portfolios depending on what you&#8217;re doing with things. Your &#8216;fun money&#8217; can have it&#8217;s own allocation that you want to try out, your retirement stuff can have a more conservative or at least tried and true method based on a retirement age. Perhaps you&#8217;re saving down payment money for a house in 10 years. You might want to put that money in investments to get a little return on it, but with only 10 years, you&#8217;d want to be pretty conservative about it.</p>
<p>For early retirement, I plan to have two portfolios. One for pre-65 (in non-retirement accounts so I can access it) and one for post-65 (401k and IRA).</p>
<p>As far as actual asset allocation goes, start with something balanced (and before you ask, balanced any way it can be is good), and then tweak it to be more to your taste and risk tolerance. I&#8217;d say leave your properties out of things, but try to go light on any other real estate investments. Asset allocation is pretty arbitrary, so go with what makes sense to you and stick with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but you don&#039;t necessarily need to jump from what you are at to the allocation you think you should be at.

You are at 100% stocks right now (except for the diversification in your target date funds).  Perhaps you&#039;d like to be more like 20%.  Fine.  Don&#039;t sell 20% of your stocks right now; no one knows the future, but we&#039;ve seen recent under performance in stocks.  Usually out performance follows.

So sell 2% of your (liquid) portfolio and move it to bonds, inflation protected treasuries perhaps.  Next year, aim for 4% in bonds.  If stocks have a big run-up, perhaps sell a bit more of the &quot;winnings&quot; and move a bit faster.  After a decade, you&#039;ll be at 20% bonds or more.  By the time you&#039;re 40, you&#039;ll be at a very reasonable age-appropriate allocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but you don&#8217;t necessarily need to jump from what you are at to the allocation you think you should be at.</p>
<p>You are at 100% stocks right now (except for the diversification in your target date funds).  Perhaps you&#8217;d like to be more like 20%.  Fine.  Don&#8217;t sell 20% of your stocks right now; no one knows the future, but we&#8217;ve seen recent under performance in stocks.  Usually out performance follows.</p>
<p>So sell 2% of your (liquid) portfolio and move it to bonds, inflation protected treasuries perhaps.  Next year, aim for 4% in bonds.  If stocks have a big run-up, perhaps sell a bit more of the &#8220;winnings&#8221; and move a bit faster.  After a decade, you&#8217;ll be at 20% bonds or more.  By the time you&#8217;re 40, you&#8217;ll be at a very reasonable age-appropriate allocation.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rebalancing with your yearly investment decisions is a reasonable technique to me.

it sounds to me like someone wants you to consider even more college!

the last thing i bought and held is dollars, about 8 months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rebalancing with your yearly investment decisions is a reasonable technique to me.</p>
<p>it sounds to me like someone wants you to consider even more college!</p>
<p>the last thing i bought and held is dollars, about 8 months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...I can&#039;t give any practical advice but have you looked into consulting with a reputable fee-only financial planner? Seems like your situation is complicated enough to warrant an hour or two or help from a professional. Just a suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;I can&#8217;t give any practical advice but have you looked into consulting with a reputable fee-only financial planner? Seems like your situation is complicated enough to warrant an hour or two or help from a professional. Just a suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might as well stay 100% stocks if you aren&#039;t going to rebalance.  You effectively give up the advantages of holding the other asset classes, since they don&#039;t effectively change your standard deviation (i.e. risk) unless you rebalance.  They just drag on your long-term return.

Personally, I think rebalancing is THE secret.  Well, perhaps the 2nd secret behind &quot;live on less than 100% of your income.&quot;

In that light you might find it unsurprising if I say that you should consider your &quot;portfolio&quot; to be those assets that you can rebalance.  Your investment properties aren&#039;t part of because you can&#039;t rebalance with them.  Your house is not part of your investment portfolio.  Real estate that you can&#039;t sell to rebalance is not proper diversification (in my opinion) if you believe modern portfolio theory valid and you don&#039;t count it in your portfolio.

So focus on your liquid investments, those that you can sell.  If you can&#039;t decide what your allocation be, don&#039;t sweat it.  It is essentially impossible to pick a &quot;best&quot; allocation anyway.  Anyone who has tried to find the efficient frontier by backtesting has discovered how elusive that is.

So, pick something sensible and do it.  It doesn&#039;t have to be perfect to help mitigate your risk and increase your return.  And the truth is, there probably isn&#039;t that much difference between &quot;perfect&quot; and &quot;ok&quot;.  Having a philosophy of savings makes way more difference.

Listen to John Bogle, let your stock allocation be 100-age.  Sure, maybe 20% bonds isn&#039;t as aggressive as you might be for a young person, but the difference between that and perfect is probably less than the difference between doing something reasonable and doing what you are doing right now.

Or go against the current, and take a 60/40 allocation stocks/bonds and just stay there.  You say that the bulk of your non-portfolio assets are in properties, so perhaps you have plenty of risk in your life already.  Again 60/40 might not be perfect, but it probably is better than not having a plan at all.

Personally, I&#039;ve decided on a Margaritaville portfolio for the assets I manage myself in my IRA.  33% VTI (US stocks), 33% VEU (non-US stocks), 33% TIP (inflation protected treasuries).  I&#039;ve got work accounts in retirement date funds where they are available, and a 60/40 fund where they aren&#039;t.

Looking at it, I realize that my portfolio is a bit haphazard, but key to it is that no matter what, I rebalance.  Actually most of my accounts rebalance themselves, and I do my IRA myself, but the effect is that overall my portfolio tends to stay near the same allocation.  And that&#039;s what makes things work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might as well stay 100% stocks if you aren&#8217;t going to rebalance.  You effectively give up the advantages of holding the other asset classes, since they don&#8217;t effectively change your standard deviation (i.e. risk) unless you rebalance.  They just drag on your long-term return.</p>
<p>Personally, I think rebalancing is THE secret.  Well, perhaps the 2nd secret behind &#8220;live on less than 100% of your income.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that light you might find it unsurprising if I say that you should consider your &#8220;portfolio&#8221; to be those assets that you can rebalance.  Your investment properties aren&#8217;t part of because you can&#8217;t rebalance with them.  Your house is not part of your investment portfolio.  Real estate that you can&#8217;t sell to rebalance is not proper diversification (in my opinion) if you believe modern portfolio theory valid and you don&#8217;t count it in your portfolio.</p>
<p>So focus on your liquid investments, those that you can sell.  If you can&#8217;t decide what your allocation be, don&#8217;t sweat it.  It is essentially impossible to pick a &#8220;best&#8221; allocation anyway.  Anyone who has tried to find the efficient frontier by backtesting has discovered how elusive that is.</p>
<p>So, pick something sensible and do it.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be perfect to help mitigate your risk and increase your return.  And the truth is, there probably isn&#8217;t that much difference between &#8220;perfect&#8221; and &#8220;ok&#8221;.  Having a philosophy of savings makes way more difference.</p>
<p>Listen to John Bogle, let your stock allocation be 100-age.  Sure, maybe 20% bonds isn&#8217;t as aggressive as you might be for a young person, but the difference between that and perfect is probably less than the difference between doing something reasonable and doing what you are doing right now.</p>
<p>Or go against the current, and take a 60/40 allocation stocks/bonds and just stay there.  You say that the bulk of your non-portfolio assets are in properties, so perhaps you have plenty of risk in your life already.  Again 60/40 might not be perfect, but it probably is better than not having a plan at all.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve decided on a Margaritaville portfolio for the assets I manage myself in my IRA.  33% VTI (US stocks), 33% VEU (non-US stocks), 33% TIP (inflation protected treasuries).  I&#8217;ve got work accounts in retirement date funds where they are available, and a 60/40 fund where they aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Looking at it, I realize that my portfolio is a bit haphazard, but key to it is that no matter what, I rebalance.  Actually most of my accounts rebalance themselves, and I do my IRA myself, but the effect is that overall my portfolio tends to stay near the same allocation.  And that&#8217;s what makes things work.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mr. ToughMoneyLove - Not having an asset allocation is different from not having a financial plan.  I have a very specific and detailed plan which involves maxing out my retirement accounts, maintaining certain levels of reserves, and using real estate &amp; leverage to increase my net worth.  I&#039;ll grant you that some of my investment decisions have been ad hoc and I could definitely improve - but when you&#039;re talking about relatively small amounts of money, the most important thing is to just save it, anyway.  Whether my $15K IRA has 10% bonds or 15% isn&#039;t going to make much of a difference right now. 

@ Rick - You&#039;re right, I do try to rebalance my IRA, though without a totally defined target.  And I have a detailed spreadsheet which outlines my asset allocation - it&#039;s not that I avoid it - it just seems like my target is unrealistically far from what I can achieve right now, given the reserves I want to have and the properties that I&#039;m managing.

And that&#039;s one of the biggest issues - my real estate ventures are a primary component of my financial plan.  I intend to have and manage 10 properties by 2017.  That is going to completely skew my asset allocation - just like a small business would if I started one - and there just doesn&#039;t seem like much I can do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mr. ToughMoneyLove &#8211; Not having an asset allocation is different from not having a financial plan.  I have a very specific and detailed plan which involves maxing out my retirement accounts, maintaining certain levels of reserves, and using real estate &amp; leverage to increase my net worth.  I&#8217;ll grant you that some of my investment decisions have been ad hoc and I could definitely improve &#8211; but when you&#8217;re talking about relatively small amounts of money, the most important thing is to just save it, anyway.  Whether my $15K IRA has 10% bonds or 15% isn&#8217;t going to make much of a difference right now. </p>
<p>@ Rick &#8211; You&#8217;re right, I do try to rebalance my IRA, though without a totally defined target.  And I have a detailed spreadsheet which outlines my asset allocation &#8211; it&#8217;s not that I avoid it &#8211; it just seems like my target is unrealistically far from what I can achieve right now, given the reserves I want to have and the properties that I&#8217;m managing.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s one of the biggest issues &#8211; my real estate ventures are a primary component of my financial plan.  I intend to have and manage 10 properties by 2017.  That is going to completely skew my asset allocation &#8211; just like a small business would if I started one &#8211; and there just doesn&#8217;t seem like much I can do about that.</p>
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