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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/02/17/reader-question-regarding-emergency-funds/comment-page-1/#comment-403715</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the existing debt should be paid off first, assuming there is at least some form of safety net in the savings to protect you from an unexpected impact. Although the article clearly specified not to use credit cards, the fact is that in an emergency a credit card can be used to pull cash. Again, not recommended as the interest rate on this transaction would be very high. 

The thought is that money in a savings account earning only 2-3% may be put to better use to pay down a debt at 12% (or higher). 

But again, at least some savings should be considered a requirement before undertaking this movement of funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the existing debt should be paid off first, assuming there is at least some form of safety net in the savings to protect you from an unexpected impact. Although the article clearly specified not to use credit cards, the fact is that in an emergency a credit card can be used to pull cash. Again, not recommended as the interest rate on this transaction would be very high. </p>
<p>The thought is that money in a savings account earning only 2-3% may be put to better use to pay down a debt at 12% (or higher). </p>
<p>But again, at least some savings should be considered a requirement before undertaking this movement of funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth, I&#039;d pay off (or almost pay off) the equity line, then build up your savings. If you don&#039;t itemize, the interest isn&#039;t doing you any good anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth, I&#8217;d pay off (or almost pay off) the equity line, then build up your savings. If you don&#8217;t itemize, the interest isn&#8217;t doing you any good anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now I&#039;m trying to juggle building up an emergency fund versus paying down my debt. I&#039;m finding a lot of mixed messages -- some sources say not to bother with an emergency fund until you&#039;re out of out debt. 

My debt is a line of credit. Let&#039;s say I use my current emergency fund of $5000 to pay it down, then I&#039;m saving on monthly interest and my net worth stays the same. Let&#039;s say an emergency happens and I need that $5000 -- it doesn&#039;t matter whether it comes from the line of credit or the emergency fund. Either way, I&#039;m left with nothing in the fund, and $5000 off my line of credit.

But it&#039;s very hard for me to think like that. I like having savings, but I hate having debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m trying to juggle building up an emergency fund versus paying down my debt. I&#8217;m finding a lot of mixed messages &#8212; some sources say not to bother with an emergency fund until you&#8217;re out of out debt. </p>
<p>My debt is a line of credit. Let&#8217;s say I use my current emergency fund of $5000 to pay it down, then I&#8217;m saving on monthly interest and my net worth stays the same. Let&#8217;s say an emergency happens and I need that $5000 &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t matter whether it comes from the line of credit or the emergency fund. Either way, I&#8217;m left with nothing in the fund, and $5000 off my line of credit.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s very hard for me to think like that. I like having savings, but I hate having debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We run with 18 months in near and intermediate-term emergency funds.  The near-term funds are in &quot;high yield&quot; savings accounts, and the longer-term funds are in I-bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We run with 18 months in near and intermediate-term emergency funds.  The near-term funds are in &#8220;high yield&#8221; savings accounts, and the longer-term funds are in I-bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 6 months is grossly inadequate in this economy. Many of those programmers and software engineers laid off after the internet bubble collapsed took a lot longer to find a new job. I&#039;d say 6 months to two years is more appropriate if you can afford it. Obviously, if you have high interest debts, these should come first - any extra payments you have to make every month is a drag. But I&#039;d put 6 month to 2 years savings - I always think of my cash/CDs money as savings rather than an emergency fund - ahead of any kind of investments in the market or bonds or IRA.

I agree with posters above - it all depends on individual circumstances such as your job security, expected severance, etc. Keep in mind that even if a company paid a severance in the past, it will pay it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 6 months is grossly inadequate in this economy. Many of those programmers and software engineers laid off after the internet bubble collapsed took a lot longer to find a new job. I&#8217;d say 6 months to two years is more appropriate if you can afford it. Obviously, if you have high interest debts, these should come first &#8211; any extra payments you have to make every month is a drag. But I&#8217;d put 6 month to 2 years savings &#8211; I always think of my cash/CDs money as savings rather than an emergency fund &#8211; ahead of any kind of investments in the market or bonds or IRA.</p>
<p>I agree with posters above &#8211; it all depends on individual circumstances such as your job security, expected severance, etc. Keep in mind that even if a company paid a severance in the past, it will pay it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per my CFP classes the 6 month figure is not only to accommodate a job search that would last that long, but also to provide funds before any short-term/long-term disability payments would commence (given many have a 180-day waiting period).

RE: excluding the unemployment comp. Better to be conservative and pleasantly surprised that you have enough in your E-fund than vice-versa. 

Also, unfortunately, unemployment benefits are taxable income and normally taxes are not withheld. You&#039;d then owe more on your tax return unless you were overwithheld from your prior employment withholding OR your 6.2% FICA started over w/Employer #2 and you ended up paying in more than the annual cap and would thus apply it to taxes paid in. Clear as mud?

So there is no free lunch once again, (unless you&#039;re taking TARP money that is!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per my CFP classes the 6 month figure is not only to accommodate a job search that would last that long, but also to provide funds before any short-term/long-term disability payments would commence (given many have a 180-day waiting period).</p>
<p>RE: excluding the unemployment comp. Better to be conservative and pleasantly surprised that you have enough in your E-fund than vice-versa. </p>
<p>Also, unfortunately, unemployment benefits are taxable income and normally taxes are not withheld. You&#8217;d then owe more on your tax return unless you were overwithheld from your prior employment withholding OR your 6.2% FICA started over w/Employer #2 and you ended up paying in more than the annual cap and would thus apply it to taxes paid in. Clear as mud?</p>
<p>So there is no free lunch once again, (unless you&#8217;re taking TARP money that is!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everyone&#039;s comments about &quot;regular expenses&quot; being a red herring.  From my personal situation, my wife is unemployed and they&#039;re challenging her right to benefits, we just had a kid and there were issues with insurance covering some of the bills, there were just layoffs at the day job and that&#039;s spooked everybody.  

Last year I thought I had a very conservative 2 years cushion, now I&#039;m not so certain.  As Amsalp says, COBRA ain&#039;t cheap.  I guess what I&#039;m saying is that you want to have as much reserve as you can get, and not rely on things like unemployment to hold you over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everyone&#8217;s comments about &#8220;regular expenses&#8221; being a red herring.  From my personal situation, my wife is unemployed and they&#8217;re challenging her right to benefits, we just had a kid and there were issues with insurance covering some of the bills, there were just layoffs at the day job and that&#8217;s spooked everybody.  </p>
<p>Last year I thought I had a very conservative 2 years cushion, now I&#8217;m not so certain.  As Amsalp says, COBRA ain&#8217;t cheap.  I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that you want to have as much reserve as you can get, and not rely on things like unemployment to hold you over.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg from FruWiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg from FruWiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t count on unemployment when figuring your emergency fund.  Many people are fighting for unemployment money that is rightfully due to them.  I happen to know one personally.  

Also, 6 months may not be enough these days.  If you can save more, do so.  8 months sounds better to me, but really it depends on how hard it will be to find another job that meets YOUR needs.  That depends on what sort of work you can do, how much you need to make, if you can move, etc.

While you should plan to cut back expenses if you find yourself unemployed, take into account that you may actually have more expenses like job hunting expenses, moving expenses, paying for life insurance out of pocket, and losing any other employee discounts or reimbursements!  Plus, human nature what it is, we aren&#039;t usually our best about cutting back on wants when we&#039;re stressed.  After a long day of discouraging job hunting, are you always going to super frugal or are you going to say &quot;Screw it!&quot; and go join your friends for a night out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t count on unemployment when figuring your emergency fund.  Many people are fighting for unemployment money that is rightfully due to them.  I happen to know one personally.  </p>
<p>Also, 6 months may not be enough these days.  If you can save more, do so.  8 months sounds better to me, but really it depends on how hard it will be to find another job that meets YOUR needs.  That depends on what sort of work you can do, how much you need to make, if you can move, etc.</p>
<p>While you should plan to cut back expenses if you find yourself unemployed, take into account that you may actually have more expenses like job hunting expenses, moving expenses, paying for life insurance out of pocket, and losing any other employee discounts or reimbursements!  Plus, human nature what it is, we aren&#8217;t usually our best about cutting back on wants when we&#8217;re stressed.  After a long day of discouraging job hunting, are you always going to super frugal or are you going to say &#8220;Screw it!&#8221; and go join your friends for a night out.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll echo some of the other comments by saying that it all depends on your personal circumstances. The 6-month rule of thumb came from some person&#039;s estimation of how long it would take to find another job if you lost your current one.

If you work in a job where you are more likely to be laid off, or laid off more often than the average person, then you would need to up the amount in your emergency savings. If your line of work is such that it takes longer to find another equivalent position or you would be more likely to have to move somewhere else to get an equivalent position, then you would probably need more money in savings.

Likewise, if you are married and your spouse is in a more secure job or carries the health insurance, your need for savings may be less. Another possibility is that you are nearing retirement and could take an early out with no big impact to your finances. The whole point is not to stick with some predetermined number or percentage, but to take some time to figure out what you would need to live on until you could find another job.

And a fair amount of pessimism may be in order.  If both husband and wife could get laid off at the same time (because you both work for the same company for instance), then you may want to figure it into your calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll echo some of the other comments by saying that it all depends on your personal circumstances. The 6-month rule of thumb came from some person&#8217;s estimation of how long it would take to find another job if you lost your current one.</p>
<p>If you work in a job where you are more likely to be laid off, or laid off more often than the average person, then you would need to up the amount in your emergency savings. If your line of work is such that it takes longer to find another equivalent position or you would be more likely to have to move somewhere else to get an equivalent position, then you would probably need more money in savings.</p>
<p>Likewise, if you are married and your spouse is in a more secure job or carries the health insurance, your need for savings may be less. Another possibility is that you are nearing retirement and could take an early out with no big impact to your finances. The whole point is not to stick with some predetermined number or percentage, but to take some time to figure out what you would need to live on until you could find another job.</p>
<p>And a fair amount of pessimism may be in order.  If both husband and wife could get laid off at the same time (because you both work for the same company for instance), then you may want to figure it into your calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Amsalp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amsalp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular expenses, this is too nebulous.  Maybe its just me, but subsidies from my employer for items such as healthcare, will take a big bite out of my emergency fund. And I only just realized this, so call me stupid.  Along with known expenses, I&#039;d recommend you research anything your employer paid for or subsidized, COBRA is not cheap.  I&#039;ve just seen my fund that I thought was good for one year go to 7 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular expenses, this is too nebulous.  Maybe its just me, but subsidies from my employer for items such as healthcare, will take a big bite out of my emergency fund. And I only just realized this, so call me stupid.  Along with known expenses, I&#8217;d recommend you research anything your employer paid for or subsidized, COBRA is not cheap.  I&#8217;ve just seen my fund that I thought was good for one year go to 7 months.</p>
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