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	<title>Comments on: Scott Burns Responds to the Paul Farrell Article</title>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitty: &quot;But is it a valid comparison? A CD is a fixed income investment. A bond fund is not - its value fluctuates with value of bonds on secondary market.&quot;

Yes, Kitty. It is a valid comparison. Because you can invest in a bond fund or you can invest in a CD.  Since investing in a CD beats a bond fund 90% of the time, it is best to stay away from bond funds and just go with the CD.

I&#039;m not suggesting anyone lock in a 5-year CD at this point. But if I was going to invest in a bond fund or a CD, I&#039;d go with the CD. At this point, I wouldn&#039;t do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitty: &#8220;But is it a valid comparison? A CD is a fixed income investment. A bond fund is not &#8211; its value fluctuates with value of bonds on secondary market.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Kitty. It is a valid comparison. Because you can invest in a bond fund or you can invest in a CD.  Since investing in a CD beats a bond fund 90% of the time, it is best to stay away from bond funds and just go with the CD.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting anyone lock in a 5-year CD at this point. But if I was going to invest in a bond fund or a CD, I&#8217;d go with the CD. At this point, I wouldn&#8217;t do either.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wealth Pilgrim: &quot;Few investors stuck with bonds over the last 20 years if they were looking for growth.&quot;
It depends. If you bought bond funds or if you didn&#039;t have enough money 20 years ago and were buying at different times than you may be right. But I&#039;d imagine anybody who locked 18% 20 years ago would want to sell. 

@Stacey: &quot;But I’m a firm believer that all these bailouts/handouts/Tarp crap is going to come home to roost. And when that happens, inflation will increase, thus our investment in the I-series.&quot;
This seems to be almost obvious - that the increase in money supply that we have will cause inflation. But is it so obvious? From what I read there are two things which control inflation: money supply and velocity of money. We have ample money supply but velocity is almost non-existent. Banks aren&#039;t lending, people aren&#039;t buying, unemployment is increasing. A lot of money disappeared into a black whole and newly printed/borrowed money may well disappear in potential losses in commercial real estate and credit card defaults. Sure, we may get stagflation as in the 80s, but back then it was driven by rising oil prices - if I am not mistaken. Not clear if this is what will see. 

I wish I could be sure that we&#039;d have inflation, then I&#039;d know how to invest my money. I&#039;d be happily convinced of this since I really don&#039;t know the best way to allocate my money nowadays.

@RA: &quot;One of the most valuable things I learned from Scott Burns over the years is that a 5-yr CD will outperform 90% of all bond funds over a 5 year period.&quot;
I don&#039;t know if it makes sense to lock today&#039;s rate for 5 years. There is not much room for the rates to decrease. Now when the rates do increase, the money in bond funds would lose value, so a 5 year CD can still outperform.

But is it a valid comparison? A CD is a fixed income investment. A bond fund is not - its value fluctuates with value of bonds on secondary market. So wouldn&#039;t a comparison with individual bonds be better? Not only government, but also municipal and corporate. Yes there is risk with investing in municipal bonds and corporate bonds, but it is a smaller risk than with stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wealth Pilgrim: &#8220;Few investors stuck with bonds over the last 20 years if they were looking for growth.&#8221;<br />
It depends. If you bought bond funds or if you didn&#8217;t have enough money 20 years ago and were buying at different times than you may be right. But I&#8217;d imagine anybody who locked 18% 20 years ago would want to sell. </p>
<p>@Stacey: &#8220;But I’m a firm believer that all these bailouts/handouts/Tarp crap is going to come home to roost. And when that happens, inflation will increase, thus our investment in the I-series.&#8221;<br />
This seems to be almost obvious &#8211; that the increase in money supply that we have will cause inflation. But is it so obvious? From what I read there are two things which control inflation: money supply and velocity of money. We have ample money supply but velocity is almost non-existent. Banks aren&#8217;t lending, people aren&#8217;t buying, unemployment is increasing. A lot of money disappeared into a black whole and newly printed/borrowed money may well disappear in potential losses in commercial real estate and credit card defaults. Sure, we may get stagflation as in the 80s, but back then it was driven by rising oil prices &#8211; if I am not mistaken. Not clear if this is what will see. </p>
<p>I wish I could be sure that we&#8217;d have inflation, then I&#8217;d know how to invest my money. I&#8217;d be happily convinced of this since I really don&#8217;t know the best way to allocate my money nowadays.</p>
<p>@RA: &#8220;One of the most valuable things I learned from Scott Burns over the years is that a 5-yr CD will outperform 90% of all bond funds over a 5 year period.&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t know if it makes sense to lock today&#8217;s rate for 5 years. There is not much room for the rates to decrease. Now when the rates do increase, the money in bond funds would lose value, so a 5 year CD can still outperform.</p>
<p>But is it a valid comparison? A CD is a fixed income investment. A bond fund is not &#8211; its value fluctuates with value of bonds on secondary market. So wouldn&#8217;t a comparison with individual bonds be better? Not only government, but also municipal and corporate. Yes there is risk with investing in municipal bonds and corporate bonds, but it is a smaller risk than with stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of CDs myself, Bozo. Particularly brokerage callable CDs which give you a little extra interest. 

One of the most valuable things I learned from Scott Burns over the years is that a 5-yr CD will outperform 90% of all bond funds over a 5 year period. The only fund which can consistently beat CDs is Vanguard GNMA. But then you have to make a bet on interest rates because of the fluctuating NAV which will ruin a good yield.

TIPs and I bonds were great when they paid 3% above inflation. But at 2%, they are marginable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of CDs myself, Bozo. Particularly brokerage callable CDs which give you a little extra interest. </p>
<p>One of the most valuable things I learned from Scott Burns over the years is that a 5-yr CD will outperform 90% of all bond funds over a 5 year period. The only fund which can consistently beat CDs is Vanguard GNMA. But then you have to make a bet on interest rates because of the fluctuating NAV which will ruin a good yield.</p>
<p>TIPs and I bonds were great when they paid 3% above inflation. But at 2%, they are marginable.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Bozo, about the rates going down. But I&#039;m a firm believer that all these bailouts/handouts/Tarp crap is going to come home to roost. And when that happens, inflation will increase, thus our investment in the I-series. Buying bullets will be next! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Bozo, about the rates going down. But I&#8217;m a firm believer that all these bailouts/handouts/Tarp crap is going to come home to roost. And when that happens, inflation will increase, thus our investment in the I-series. Buying bullets will be next! <img src='http://allfinancialmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wealth Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few investors stuck with bonds over the last 20 years if they were looking for growth.  Why?  Because during some intervals, some quite long, equities trounced bonds. The only folks I know who stuck with bonds were those looking for income and they could care less about beating equities.

Many investors have extremely short performance time frames so they chase one asset class to the next.  

That&#039;s why diversification is important and having a plan is even more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few investors stuck with bonds over the last 20 years if they were looking for growth.  Why?  Because during some intervals, some quite long, equities trounced bonds. The only folks I know who stuck with bonds were those looking for income and they could care less about beating equities.</p>
<p>Many investors have extremely short performance time frames so they chase one asset class to the next.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why diversification is important and having a plan is even more important.</p>
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		<title>By: Bozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacey, you&#039;re doing the very thing I Bonds were designed for, i.e., periodic and methodical savings. Bravo! Just be aware that you&#039;re in for a bit of interest-rate shock. I Bonds are shortly going to zero (including the one you just purchased).  The good/bad news is that inflation will no doubt rear its ugly head down the road, at which point you will be protected, even with a fixed component of 0.7%.

Bozo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey, you&#8217;re doing the very thing I Bonds were designed for, i.e., periodic and methodical savings. Bravo! Just be aware that you&#8217;re in for a bit of interest-rate shock. I Bonds are shortly going to zero (including the one you just purchased).  The good/bad news is that inflation will no doubt rear its ugly head down the road, at which point you will be protected, even with a fixed component of 0.7%.</p>
<p>Bozo</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLP:

Great article and you have some sharp readers of your blog. They are a head and shoulders above most PF blog commenters.. Well done everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLP:</p>
<p>Great article and you have some sharp readers of your blog. They are a head and shoulders above most PF blog commenters.. Well done everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just my 2 cents...I believe the annual limits for buying savings bonds on Treasury Direct is $5,000 for paper and $5,000 for electronic. For most folks, that&#039;s adequate. I just picked up $2,000 in I-series last week at a 5%+ rate. I was discouraged by our (taxable) on-line savings acct rate of 1.5% and figured: 1) the I-series rate is higher and 2) no taxes until maturity (and maybe not even then--see below.)

Bozo, for our situation I prefer I-series over CD&#039;s for 2 reasons: no state income tax on earnings (3% and undoubtedly heading north here in IL!) and down the road I could even get out of paying federal tax if: 1) we use them for the boys&#039; college and 2) our income is low enough to avoid the tax (yes, there is a limit and it gets phased out. Right now we&#039;d be out of luck, but in 13 years, that could change.) Even if we don&#039;t use them for college I could hold them until we&#039;re ripe ol&#039; seniors and our income would certainly be lower by then and presumably taxed at the lowest/lower rates. Or we&#039;ll just be dead and the kids can inherit them :) I&#039;m all about depriving the government of taxes on my hard-earned savings!!

Lucky for you, Bozo, that you can save in a tax-deferred acct. Our income, coupled w/my husband&#039;s 401k participation, prevent that unless I did nondeductible IRA contributions (which are then a nuisance to track, but doable.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just my 2 cents&#8230;I believe the annual limits for buying savings bonds on Treasury Direct is $5,000 for paper and $5,000 for electronic. For most folks, that&#8217;s adequate. I just picked up $2,000 in I-series last week at a 5%+ rate. I was discouraged by our (taxable) on-line savings acct rate of 1.5% and figured: 1) the I-series rate is higher and 2) no taxes until maturity (and maybe not even then&#8211;see below.)</p>
<p>Bozo, for our situation I prefer I-series over CD&#8217;s for 2 reasons: no state income tax on earnings (3% and undoubtedly heading north here in IL!) and down the road I could even get out of paying federal tax if: 1) we use them for the boys&#8217; college and 2) our income is low enough to avoid the tax (yes, there is a limit and it gets phased out. Right now we&#8217;d be out of luck, but in 13 years, that could change.) Even if we don&#8217;t use them for college I could hold them until we&#8217;re ripe ol&#8217; seniors and our income would certainly be lower by then and presumably taxed at the lowest/lower rates. Or we&#8217;ll just be dead and the kids can inherit them <img src='http://allfinancialmatters.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m all about depriving the government of taxes on my hard-earned savings!!</p>
<p>Lucky for you, Bozo, that you can save in a tax-deferred acct. Our income, coupled w/my husband&#8217;s 401k participation, prevent that unless I did nondeductible IRA contributions (which are then a nuisance to track, but doable.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One solution to inflation is a well-laddered portfolio of CDs. TIPS and I Bonds have their supporters, I know, but I have yet to see any definitive studies showing that they do better than CDs. After all, CDs are merely nominal bonds issued by private entities (credit unions or banks) with essentially the same risk (zero) as TIPS or I Bonds. Sure, there&#039;s re-investment risk if a bank or credit union goes toes-up (the new entity might not honor the rate or term), but you can build a ladder of short maturities (say, no more than four to five year CDs) and minimize that risk. You need to be mindful of the insurance limits, but that&#039;s not usually a big issue. Worst case: you get the $$ back, with interest and no penalty, and go shopping.

Admittedly, I do a lot of rate-chasing. However, in a tax-deferred account, I&#039;ve found over the past 2 1/2 years that my real return has exceeded that of I Bonds handily. TIPS as well, except for the time when the real return nudged into 3% territory. I&#039;m not a big fan of TIPS funds (too volatile for retirement planning, in my view). Individual TIPS bonds, well, there&#039;s the liquidity issue unless you have the patience to build a ladder of 5 year TIPS. And then I&#039;m talking tax-deferred, anyway.

Anyway, I suspect the dearth of analysis regarding CDs is due mostly to the ephemeral nature of the data. There really is no accurate historical data base of the &quot;best&quot; CD rates at any given point in time, and rates vary widely with exogenous factors (teaser rates, &quot;local specials&quot;, you name it).

All I can say to fans of fixed income (and I am one) is: don&#039;t dismiss CDs. They may not be sexy, but they can anchor the bond part of your AA.

Bozo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One solution to inflation is a well-laddered portfolio of CDs. TIPS and I Bonds have their supporters, I know, but I have yet to see any definitive studies showing that they do better than CDs. After all, CDs are merely nominal bonds issued by private entities (credit unions or banks) with essentially the same risk (zero) as TIPS or I Bonds. Sure, there&#8217;s re-investment risk if a bank or credit union goes toes-up (the new entity might not honor the rate or term), but you can build a ladder of short maturities (say, no more than four to five year CDs) and minimize that risk. You need to be mindful of the insurance limits, but that&#8217;s not usually a big issue. Worst case: you get the $$ back, with interest and no penalty, and go shopping.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I do a lot of rate-chasing. However, in a tax-deferred account, I&#8217;ve found over the past 2 1/2 years that my real return has exceeded that of I Bonds handily. TIPS as well, except for the time when the real return nudged into 3% territory. I&#8217;m not a big fan of TIPS funds (too volatile for retirement planning, in my view). Individual TIPS bonds, well, there&#8217;s the liquidity issue unless you have the patience to build a ladder of 5 year TIPS. And then I&#8217;m talking tax-deferred, anyway.</p>
<p>Anyway, I suspect the dearth of analysis regarding CDs is due mostly to the ephemeral nature of the data. There really is no accurate historical data base of the &#8220;best&#8221; CD rates at any given point in time, and rates vary widely with exogenous factors (teaser rates, &#8220;local specials&#8221;, you name it).</p>
<p>All I can say to fans of fixed income (and I am one) is: don&#8217;t dismiss CDs. They may not be sexy, but they can anchor the bond part of your AA.</p>
<p>Bozo</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant! Well-worded, concise and looked at btoh sides of the coin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant! Well-worded, concise and looked at btoh sides of the coin.</p>
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