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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-421558</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you would blame the Democrats. Meanwhile, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, a Republican, has been yapping about this for years. First he started with the no trans fat. Then he went to posting calories and fat content on menus. Now he want to tax sugary drinks.  You must be watching Fox News too much </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you would blame the Democrats. Meanwhile, Mayor Bloomberg of New York, a Republican, has been yapping about this for years. First he started with the no trans fat. Then he went to posting calories and fat content on menus. Now he want to tax sugary drinks.  You must be watching Fox News too much</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420773</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.. Stacey, you rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.. Stacey, you rock.</p>
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		<title>By: RA</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420768</link>
		<dc:creator>RA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think taxing beer and cigarettes is such a bad idea. And JLP&#039;s Republican state of Texas taxes junk food, including McDonald&#039;s. So maybe it is not just a Democratic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think taxing beer and cigarettes is such a bad idea. And JLP&#8217;s Republican state of Texas taxes junk food, including McDonald&#8217;s. So maybe it is not just a Democratic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,
The problem now is that instead of government, the profit-focused healthcare industry makes the decision whether you need medical care or not, not your doctor.  My doctor had to fight to get me a ct scan, which was very necessary, but the insurance company continued to deny the request based off of a review by their doctors, who never met me, examined me, or anything except read a report that unfortunately didn&#039;t describe me as on my deathbed and therefore there was no reason to grant the request.  Btw, this was with one of the top 3 rated heath care insurers in the country.  

The government, which should have the best interests of its people in mind, may not always do the best especially with money, but I sure don&#039;t trust a for-profit health system that takes my money and they refuses to allow my doctors to do what is necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
The problem now is that instead of government, the profit-focused healthcare industry makes the decision whether you need medical care or not, not your doctor.  My doctor had to fight to get me a ct scan, which was very necessary, but the insurance company continued to deny the request based off of a review by their doctors, who never met me, examined me, or anything except read a report that unfortunately didn&#8217;t describe me as on my deathbed and therefore there was no reason to grant the request.  Btw, this was with one of the top 3 rated heath care insurers in the country.  </p>
<p>The government, which should have the best interests of its people in mind, may not always do the best especially with money, but I sure don&#8217;t trust a for-profit health system that takes my money and they refuses to allow my doctors to do what is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420691</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I guess we&#039;ll all be saying a lot of &quot;goodbye Grandma&quot; and &quot;goodbye Grandpa&quot; b/c they won&#039;t pass the checklist tests w/ the &quot;asymmetry of information&quot; you quoted. Maybe our President will have a great revelation about the sanctity of life while he&#039;s speaking at Notre Dame.

Heaven help you if you need an organ transplant and are older. It&#039;s all a bit scary. Guess I better drink more red wine to keep my ticker in shape, altho&#039; I&#039;ll apparently be paying more &quot;sin&quot; taxes to do it...

Gosh, am I being political again? Sorry for the potential backlash, JLP. Here I am after 2 glasses of wine tonight and I&#039;m still an uptight Republican (well actually a closet Libertarian...)

Have a great weekend everyone! I&#039;m going to engage in every sinful thing I can think of before I have to pay taxes on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I guess we&#8217;ll all be saying a lot of &#8220;goodbye Grandma&#8221; and &#8220;goodbye Grandpa&#8221; b/c they won&#8217;t pass the checklist tests w/ the &#8220;asymmetry of information&#8221; you quoted. Maybe our President will have a great revelation about the sanctity of life while he&#8217;s speaking at Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Heaven help you if you need an organ transplant and are older. It&#8217;s all a bit scary. Guess I better drink more red wine to keep my ticker in shape, altho&#8217; I&#8217;ll apparently be paying more &#8220;sin&#8221; taxes to do it&#8230;</p>
<p>Gosh, am I being political again? Sorry for the potential backlash, JLP. Here I am after 2 glasses of wine tonight and I&#8217;m still an uptight Republican (well actually a closet Libertarian&#8230;)</p>
<p>Have a great weekend everyone! I&#8217;m going to engage in every sinful thing I can think of before I have to pay taxes on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420676</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime the government gets involved, the result is inefficiency and waste. $600 hammers, seen the insolvency of Social Security and Medicare, or watched 5 workers watch one guy dig a hole on the side of the road? Get ready to have the ex-head of the Department of Motor Vehicles deciding if your child gets to take that new medicine for his autism based *solely* on the cost. 

President Obama admitted he wants the government to decide what health care Americans receive. He said in the Washington Times, &quot;There&#039;s always going to be an asymmetry of information between patient and provider. And part of what I think government can do effectively is to be an honest broker in assessing and evaluating treatment options.&quot;

He stated that &quot;the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.&quot; For them, he said, &quot;I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place.&quot;

The time to *really* worry about your health is when a government bureaucrat, not your personal doctor, tells you what treatment you can have. Yet that&#039;s exactly the scenario endorsed by Mr. Obama. This position clearly leads to health care rationing. Nobody in the government or in any &quot;political channels&quot; should tell individuals how to make decisions about &quot;the end of their lives.&quot; The only conversations happening should be personal, not democratic. It&#039;s not up to government to pull the plug but that&#039;s where we&#039;re headed.

&quot;Change you can believe in&quot; will become &quot;change you won&#039;t believe.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime the government gets involved, the result is inefficiency and waste. $600 hammers, seen the insolvency of Social Security and Medicare, or watched 5 workers watch one guy dig a hole on the side of the road? Get ready to have the ex-head of the Department of Motor Vehicles deciding if your child gets to take that new medicine for his autism based *solely* on the cost. </p>
<p>President Obama admitted he wants the government to decide what health care Americans receive. He said in the Washington Times, &#8220;There&#8217;s always going to be an asymmetry of information between patient and provider. And part of what I think government can do effectively is to be an honest broker in assessing and evaluating treatment options.&#8221;</p>
<p>He stated that &#8220;the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.&#8221; For them, he said, &#8220;I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place.&#8221;</p>
<p>The time to *really* worry about your health is when a government bureaucrat, not your personal doctor, tells you what treatment you can have. Yet that&#8217;s exactly the scenario endorsed by Mr. Obama. This position clearly leads to health care rationing. Nobody in the government or in any &#8220;political channels&#8221; should tell individuals how to make decisions about &#8220;the end of their lives.&#8221; The only conversations happening should be personal, not democratic. It&#8217;s not up to government to pull the plug but that&#8217;s where we&#8217;re headed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Change you can believe in&#8221; will become &#8220;change you won&#8217;t believe.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Braun</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420629</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sam -- Perhaps if the politicians kept to politics and left the economy and financial systems alone, then JLP wouldn&#039;t need to call out them out on their dumb ideas that direcly impact our pocket books (i.e., personal finances).  The sad fact is that the government, and hence politicians, are completely emeshed in the economy and only a fool would ignore that fact.

@ Nicole -- I suppose you style yourself as an open-minded, tolerant person.  Or does your openess and tolerance only extend to those who agree with your political dogma?  Is it possible that Democrats or Republicans might propose bad laws or regulations that affect our personal finances?  What&#039;s wrong with calling them out on it?  There&#039;s no need to freak out just because (in this case) Democrats are proposing some new taxes and JLP rightly challenges their logic.  Honestly, I&#039;ve seen very little from JLP that gets into pure politics since the election.  Last time I looked tax law is a personal finance issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sam &#8212; Perhaps if the politicians kept to politics and left the economy and financial systems alone, then JLP wouldn&#8217;t need to call out them out on their dumb ideas that direcly impact our pocket books (i.e., personal finances).  The sad fact is that the government, and hence politicians, are completely emeshed in the economy and only a fool would ignore that fact.</p>
<p>@ Nicole &#8212; I suppose you style yourself as an open-minded, tolerant person.  Or does your openess and tolerance only extend to those who agree with your political dogma?  Is it possible that Democrats or Republicans might propose bad laws or regulations that affect our personal finances?  What&#8217;s wrong with calling them out on it?  There&#8217;s no need to freak out just because (in this case) Democrats are proposing some new taxes and JLP rightly challenges their logic.  Honestly, I&#8217;ve seen very little from JLP that gets into pure politics since the election.  Last time I looked tax law is a personal finance issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with LOL that health insurance companies should be nonprofit.  They are putting too much interest in profits and not enough in healing people and preventing disease, which would keep all costs down (and hurt profits).

I realize that taxing some products may lead to a slippery slope, but ultimately that&#039;s all speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with LOL that health insurance companies should be nonprofit.  They are putting too much interest in profits and not enough in healing people and preventing disease, which would keep all costs down (and hurt profits).</p>
<p>I realize that taxing some products may lead to a slippery slope, but ultimately that&#8217;s all speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
		<link>http://allfinancialmatters.com/2009/05/13/health-care-tax-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-420599</link>
		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLP: I agree with your sarcastic posting here -- we are on a slippery slope.  I don&#039;t need government outlawing (or sin-taxing) salt because salt happens to be bad for a small minority of the population.

This entire debate is about medical costs, and medical insurance costs (hence this is a personal finance issue, and appropriate for this blog).

We should not taxing more just so we can line the pockets of HMOs and insurance companies even more than they currently are!  We should be modifying the system so that the HMOs and insurance companies can not increase the cost of BASIC medical care into ridiculous levels.

It should not be cheaper for me to get American-made pharmaceuticals from Canada!  Why is it that an MRI costs $200 (converted) in Japan, yet someone with insurance in the US would pay $900 for the same diagnostic test?

Why is it that if I go see a doctor, I have no idea how much I&#039;ll be charged until I get the bill months later.  What I do get is a paper that I must sign that says I agree to pay whatever I happen to be charged.  Most doctors and office personnel have no idea how much the patients are paying for their care (I&#039;ve asked), because everyone pays a different price depending on who your employer is (which dictates who your insurance company is).

The medical system in the US is a joke.  We pay many times more than other &quot;western&quot; countries for our care.  Yet we receive sub-par treatment that is tailored to the number of &quot;procedures&quot; performed, instead of actually HEALING people -- and that is a direct result of having for-profit companies being in control of your personal health, designed to extract the maximum amount of money from your wallet.

I vote that we only have &quot;not-for-profit&quot; insurance companies, and upfront pricing information in doctor offices / hospitals so patients could actually &quot;shop-around&quot; for lower costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLP: I agree with your sarcastic posting here &#8212; we are on a slippery slope.  I don&#8217;t need government outlawing (or sin-taxing) salt because salt happens to be bad for a small minority of the population.</p>
<p>This entire debate is about medical costs, and medical insurance costs (hence this is a personal finance issue, and appropriate for this blog).</p>
<p>We should not taxing more just so we can line the pockets of HMOs and insurance companies even more than they currently are!  We should be modifying the system so that the HMOs and insurance companies can not increase the cost of BASIC medical care into ridiculous levels.</p>
<p>It should not be cheaper for me to get American-made pharmaceuticals from Canada!  Why is it that an MRI costs $200 (converted) in Japan, yet someone with insurance in the US would pay $900 for the same diagnostic test?</p>
<p>Why is it that if I go see a doctor, I have no idea how much I&#8217;ll be charged until I get the bill months later.  What I do get is a paper that I must sign that says I agree to pay whatever I happen to be charged.  Most doctors and office personnel have no idea how much the patients are paying for their care (I&#8217;ve asked), because everyone pays a different price depending on who your employer is (which dictates who your insurance company is).</p>
<p>The medical system in the US is a joke.  We pay many times more than other &#8220;western&#8221; countries for our care.  Yet we receive sub-par treatment that is tailored to the number of &#8220;procedures&#8221; performed, instead of actually HEALING people &#8212; and that is a direct result of having for-profit companies being in control of your personal health, designed to extract the maximum amount of money from your wallet.</p>
<p>I vote that we only have &#8220;not-for-profit&#8221; insurance companies, and upfront pricing information in doctor offices / hospitals so patients could actually &#8220;shop-around&#8221; for lower costs.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pezdaddy,

EXACTLY!  

It&#039;s crazy how far we could take something like this.  

What about all the environmental things out there that can cause cancer?  How the heck do we tax sunlight?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pezdaddy,</p>
<p>EXACTLY!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s crazy how far we could take something like this.  </p>
<p>What about all the environmental things out there that can cause cancer?  How the heck do we tax sunlight?????</p>
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